Maybe There's a Heaven...

by LittleToe 141 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    I don't often open up discussions on my beliefs or experiences in life, but I feel a need, so please excuse me if you feel it untoward. Neither is this a poxy swan-song, I'm just opening up my heart a little.

    Today I had cause to reflect on a conversation I had with my [now ex-]wife shortly after my epithany. Everything was so new and unknown. All I was certain of was that something had changed in my life and I now had an overwhelming sense of loving and being loved by a Christ that I had only known peripherally through what I'd read in WTS literature.

    After telling her what had happened she asked a classic JW question "does that mean you want to go to heaven, then?" and I have to admit to being completely floored by it. I just simply hadn't expected it and everything was too fresh to have thought out any such thing.

    It took me two days before I could process it and come back with an answer, which was along the lines of "simply put, I love Christ. I REALLY love him. In fact I love him so much that I'd rather be in hell with him than in heaven without him! It's got nothing to do with me wanting to be in a certain place, but it's got everything to do with being with a certain person. But since he's in heaven, yes, I want to be in heaven". It was her turn to be floored. I was pretty floored again myself, because I certainly didn't believe in hell but really wanted to convey my depth of feeling on the subject.

    Right from the beginning I found the whole experience incredibly humbling. I still feel that way. I feel in no position to judge anyone, as may be seen in quite a number of my posts here. You can believe it's genuine. There are so many people here that I feel are far far better than I. Brighter, smarter, passionate, more loving, more caring, all the things that I hold in high esteem. That, among other reasons, is perhaps why I've never felt worthy of "going to heaven", or even of receiving the love of Christ and other friends. I don't mean that in any kind of depressive way - if you've ever met me you'll know that my zest for life in unquenchable. It just seems that love is rarely truly deserved, it just seems to be given and sometimes reciprocated - what a wonderfully inefficient and gracious transaction!

    That having been said, I know that love tangibly, with varying intensity. In the words of Job "I know my redeemer liveth". But even if at the close of this life it turns out I was completely deluded (for I must permit the possibility that I have completely taken leave of my senses and now actually sit in a sanitorium, jailed in my own mind), it's been a good life, a wonderful life, and I have had the pleasure of meeting some wonderful people!

    Regardless of where we think we may or may not end up, to me it's all about love, light, and life, and these things burn brightly in the hearts of most all I meet.

    Just 2p from a meandering mind.
    My love to you all.
    Every blessing!

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    Little Toe, be proud of the love you have been given. Love is a gift. I have met love few times in my life, but never from heavenly sources. I'm going to enjoy the recent love I have been given but I have not the vision of yours, yet the understanding to appreciate.

  • Merry Magdalene
    Merry Magdalene

    Well worth contemplating. Thank you for sharing your heart as well as your mind, your faith as well as your questioning. LLL and every blessing.

  • drew sagan
    drew sagan

    Well said Little Toe. I cannot agree more with what you said. I'm glad to see that your faith is growing. I feel that my own faith has grown in a similar manner. Thank you for sharing.

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic

    Regardless of where we think we may or may not end up, to me it's all about love, light, and life, and these things burn brightly in the hearts of most all I meet.

    Wow such deep profound words I can hardly believe I feel the same way as you Ross........only I call it sky. No wish to go up for moi, but my soul burns brightly and abounds in love for most of whom I meet as well. Who woulda thunk?

  • Outaservice
    Outaservice

    Same thing approximately happened to me. Eph. 5:13-14.

    Outaservice

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    LT,

    Thank you for writing this post it was very interesting. It cannot have been an easy thing to do, as I suspect like myself, you do not wear your heart on your sleeve.

    Have you continued to have this feeling of loving Christ above all others with the same intensity? We have spoken about this before and as you may remember I find the subject of religious experiences very interesting. I knew a JW many years ago who was a solid, level-headed and brutally honest person. I liked him a lot, he was a breath of fresh air in the stifled theological plasticity of the average Kingdom Hall.

    One day he called me and expressed feelings very similar to your own which had hit him like a lead weight and left him almost dazed. He was so astonished by these new feelings that he shared them with the other elders who were equally astonished as I was and basically treated him like a relative that children are embarrassed by and would rather hide under the stairs.

    A year or so later I met him again ( I had moved ) and in speaking to him it was clear that these feelings had actually left him. He put them down to an emotional short-circuit of some sort, and was himself rather embarrassed by the episode.

    Do you view your 'epiphany' as something supernatural that cannot be lost, or something that is more earthy - similar to the religious ecstacy shared by numerous people in vastly different ideologies, from Hindu's to Shakers and from Christians to Hatian Voudo? I realize this is a huge subject, and also a very personal one, so I will not be offended if you do not wish to discuss it in depth.

    Best regards - HS

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    I envy you Ross, I truly do. I hope you know me well enough now that I am sincere in what I say.

    For a lot of reasons I suspect I will never feel what you do. Having said that, I am glad to see you open up a bit and share what is in your heart. I know that is not an easy thing to do, especially knowing that the response may not be a positive one. That takes a lot of courage.

    Be well my friend,

    Chris

  • crazyblondeb
    crazyblondeb

    Regardless of where we think we may or may not end up, to me it's all about love, light, and life, and these things burn brightly in the hearts of most all I meet.

    ditto

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    LT

    As you tell your story it really struck me how the JWs in getting rid of hell, removed heaven as a possibility for most as well. Not ever having been a JW I've never given this much thought.

    1Co 2:9

    But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

    Great job, my friend you really said it well, for me heaven isn't so much a place, but the person of Jesus Christ.

    Mouthy are you reading this, what are your thoughts?

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