yet another 1914 thread?
there are plenty of threads already about chronology, babylonian kings, egyptian kings, median and persian kings, there is also lots of information available about old bible-students and JW literature. even a simplified chronology including "fallen baby" and "evil duck" is available somewhere on this site.
but they all got one string attached: there's just NO JW who would sit through your talk about nabonid and nebuchadnezar and 20 missing years. and there are even less JWs who would understand it, if they haven't already researched it on their own. and even if so, you are quoting secular (bad bad bad!) history and old (bad bad bad!) light!
i've come up with an approach that's more successful and i already shared it a while ago, but it got lost in a huge thread. it's the climax-approach. you don't need anything but their own more or less recent book "revelation, it's great climax is at hand".
The Watchtower book Revelation - Its Great Climax is at Hand! (1988) quotes the old Barbour booklet on page 105:
"'It was in B.C. 606, that God's kingdom ended, the diadem was removed, and all the earth given up to the Gentiles. 2520 years from B.C. 606, will end in A.D. 1914.' - The Three Worlds, published in 1877, page 83."
A footnote informs us:
"Providentially, those Bible Students had not realized that there is no zero year between "B.C." and "A.D." Later, when research made it necessary to adjust B.C. 606 to 607 BC, the zero year was also eliminated, so that the prediction held good at "A.D. 1914." - See "The Truth Shall Make You Free," published by the Watch Tower Society in 1943, page 239."
bummer! the bible students thought jerusalem fell in 606 and still came up with the 1914 date. and you don't need to buy old books on ebay to show it, it's all in the climax-book!
now let's think that over for a bit: no JW would deny that the bible students expected the end of the world in 1914, nothing less. and here in the revelation-book it sais that 1914 was calculated using the false assumption that there was a year 0. and as the destruction date is 607 now, we know it was simply moved back for a year. which implies that 1914 is NOT calculated by starting at 607, but 607 is calculated by starting at 1914!
this is something every JW can understand and will be disturbed about. and NOW you can move in with heavy artillery and show em old publications (606 was supported until the 1930s) and "evil duck" history.
making 1914 crumble
by googlemagoogle 33 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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googlemagoogle
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heathen
this is something every JW can understand and will be disturbed about.
Yah righto ..... Did anybody see in the revelation book where the WTBTS actually admitted they were wrong about the end of the world ? I mean all they had to do was change it to an invisible presence and everybody baught it .LMAO So glad I wasn't around for all that BS
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gumby
A footnote informs us:
Bible Students had not realized that there is no zero year between "B.C." and "A.D." Later, when research made it necessary to adjust B.C.Research? Damn....I was under the immpression they were led by Jehovahs spirit......not research. It's a good thing they had all those worldly books from the harlot to straighten them out. Ol' Satan inspired some truthful stuff it seems since they use his advocates writings to find truth.
Gumby
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AuldSoul
Damn! Those celebrated wt scholars didn't even know how to calculate BCE into CE? They weren't celebrated yet, I suppose. Or weren't cerebrated yet, or something.
AuldSoul
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sir82
this is something every JW can understand and will be disturbed about.
Hardly. 99% of the JWs I know would say "What a miraculous line of evidence that Jehovah is with this organization! What are the odds of discovering a 1-year error for the destruction of Jerusalem (606 vs. 607 BCE) while simultaneously discovering that there was no 0 year?"
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in a new york bethel minute
i'd love to see a reply from Scholar or Defd on this...
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RunningMan
Any "thinking person" will see this as an obviously contrived explanation. A simplistic mathematical error just happens to be discovered (after over 50 years of adding wrong), simultaneously with a startling "research" find (for which there is no research backing) that moves the starting date one year back. It's pretty obvious to any objective person that they're just making this stuff up. Unfortunately, it probably won't work. I was aware of this for many years before the lightbulb went on. But, it's one more straw on the camel's back.
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Honesty
They'll read it and not see it for what it is because, in their deluded minds the FDS is the Watchtower Society.
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yaddayadda
At least it sounds sexy: The CLIMAX approach hehehe
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Kaput
I was under the immpression they were led by Jehovahs spirit......not research.
They were led by Jehovah's spirit...Jehovah's spirit directed them to research it.