No. What they are doing is showing that they no longer care about the adults. The future is being forged right now, in the young minds. They know the old ones would not leave easily. Too much invested. Too much dissonance. They know most of the walking out is happening in the younger generations. They are creating brand loyalty. Just like Mrs Lappe said in her videos. Is an investment in futures.
StarTrekAngel
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Video based indoctrination for children
by StarTrekAngel inlast night at the meeting we watched the "jehovah will help you be bold" video.
just another piece of propaganda to get children to recruit other children.
i was just reading another thread discussing the other video (where they guilt trip kids to give money) and i recalled a something from the video we watched last night.
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A lesson on bitterness
by FlyingHighNow inponder, contemplate, discuss.
this is a public service announcement.
https://www.facebook.com/ariannahuffington/photos/a.158003868278.115593.17893008278/10152529838228279/?type=1&theater.
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StarTrekAngel
I don't think that bitterness is the problem. The problem is when your own enemy re defines your motivation to fight back as bitterness and points everyone else arounds you to see it as a defect. All of these quotes that are thrown around on the internet have an enormous amount of truth in them. The problem is they are also abused with the purpose of manipulating others. Picture the following...
Scenario 1) Nelson Mandela walks out free and as he does, he flips the bird to everyone at the jail. While this is a bit of an exaggeration, this is what I would define as bitterness. Simply because it does nothing for your cause. They probably deserved the bird but it does not free all of the others that suffered his same fate.
Scenario 2) Nelson Mandela walks out free and as he does, he smiles and tells everyone in the jail, including his guards and captors that he loves them and that they don't really know what they are being forced to do. He also adds that he will spread the word of truth so that no one has to suffer the same fate as he did. All out of pure concern for fellow humans. Upon finding this out, his captors follow right behind him telling every eye witness, that he is doing this out of bitterness. Telling them that to imitate his attitude would result on them suffering the same fate. Telling everyone not to listen to him because what happened to him was his own fault and that he was free to leave whenever he wanted to and no one held a gun to his head to make him stay.
The second scenario is the closest thing to the WTBTS and the very definition of a bully. I know also because my 11 year old daughter is going thru this at school at this very moment.
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Brave high school student exposes abuse and corruption within Jehovahs witnesses
by Watchtower-Free inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvt_gyq-ls&feature=youtu.be.
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help catagorize my wife: I truely believe she suffers from cognitive dissonance and other things this stupid cult causes.
by goingthruthemotions ini find it hard sometimes to get a good idea has to how to communicate with my wife when it come to this stupid cult.. she is born in and stopped attending for many years and got baptized later in life.
i truely believe she suffers from cognitive dissonance and other things this stupid cult causes.. here is a breakdown of what i gather to be where she is mentally.. * she calls the borg her faith.
here are actions that she does that go against her thoughts:.
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StarTrekAngel
I am pretty much in the same boat as you. My wife is in the same situation. She calls it "her faith" but she does not fully practice it. Marginal believers are harder to understand than hard line JWs. She can say that there is wrong in the org and we should concentrate in the good and, in a whim, say that is not ok to go to any church even when all churches have something good. The first thing I did was stop questioning her intelligence. Not even think about it. If you do so, eventually you will make it evident and she will be very offended. After all, is not her intelligence speaking, is the cult personality. The cult personality is not intelligent, but she sure is.
They are right about steering her to do something else. Even if it doesn't fill her entire time (although that would be ideal). One of the first things I did (she keeps on telling me "her faith" keeps the bitch in her calmed) was complementing her when she curses. I tell her she sounds sexy when she curses (she actually does so point for me there). Plus, like almost every woman, she has self image issues and so telling her that she is sexy is a big plus. Lets make it clear, I've always thought she is sexy, I am not making this up.
After that, I realized she kept on looking for drink recipes online but she never really tried them. So one Friday I went out and bought a couple of bottles, some ingredients and even got a set of glasses. We've got drunk a couple of times only but we are making it a weekend thing to make drinks, before or after dinner. I have to admit that it was a good idea for both of us. In between this and some pressure at work, drinking has been a pretty good relaxer.
She had also stop going to field service pretty much when I did. However, I do know that she wants to be there. She asked me if my research had shown me that I did not need to preach (since it seems so clear to her that we should do it) and I said I was not sure yet but that the WT teaches that is ok to put your belief on hold while you clear doubts. She has not attended FS since and has not attempted to talk me into going. We've been late to pretty much every meeting and I make sure not to show up around her when she is getting ready (she thinks that as "hurry, we are late").
In other words, and as the books says, attempt to bring out the old personality on her. The pre-cult personality. Take obvious chances but don't be pushy. We have not had a religious discussion for a couple of months now and we are doing great. However, after this last Sunday study I started looking for a chance to ask her what she thought of it. Turns out my 4 year old girls is very outspoken and has already said that she hates going to the hall, that is boring. So last week, after coming back from a long day at work, we laid down in bed. I looked at her and she said "lets get ready". So I repeated what my daughter said (I hate the Jehovah! is so boring!). She smiled and then thanked me for going anyway. Having this nice open moment, I took the chance and asked her. So we had a brief discussion of what I thought were the implications of this new understanding. I did not push anything on her but ended my statement with the questions "Do you not think this new understanding completely destroys the foundation for the authority of the F&DS?" I did not expect or asked for an answer.
I can not wait for this book study to end. It is my understanding that we will be studying the kingdom book next. I can not wait to get to the parts where they explain their organizational structure and the "overlapping generation". I think I am going to have a field day with that one.
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Video based indoctrination for children
by StarTrekAngel inlast night at the meeting we watched the "jehovah will help you be bold" video.
just another piece of propaganda to get children to recruit other children.
i was just reading another thread discussing the other video (where they guilt trip kids to give money) and i recalled a something from the video we watched last night.
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New WT video: Like taking money from a baby!
by WingCommander injust when you thought may's jw dot org video featuring wide-eyed cult lunatic gb lett guilting the masses into giving every last dime they have couldn't be topped, your children will now be fed a guilt-inducing cartoon in which they are guilted into giving every last cent they have to the wt cult.
the wt entitles this one, "give us your money!
even your children are to be shaken down!
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StarTrekAngel
See my new thread on advertisement to children...
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/282730001/video-based-indoctrination-children
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Video based indoctrination for children
by StarTrekAngel inlast night at the meeting we watched the "jehovah will help you be bold" video.
just another piece of propaganda to get children to recruit other children.
i was just reading another thread discussing the other video (where they guilt trip kids to give money) and i recalled a something from the video we watched last night.
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StarTrekAngel
Last night at the meeting we watched the "Jehovah will help you be bold" video. Just another piece of propaganda to get children to recruit other children. I was just reading another thread discussing the other video (where they guilt trip kids to give money) and I recalled a something from the video we watched last night. If you have not seen it, the story goes on about the girl who told Namaan to go to the prophet and get cured of his leprosy. In the WT dream based re enactment of what might have gone on in the house of Naaman, the girl attempts to tell other servants in the house that Jehovah could cure him. They all stare angrily at her and they tell her to not speak of the God of Israel. Then they pull out their necklaces our of their robes. Out of this necklaces, they had images of their gods. It struck me odd because they are making an attempt to show how they held their gods so dear that they had images of them hanging from their necks. Yet no one seems to see the irony of wearing the JWdotORG lapel ping. Here is a screenshot from the video
Just another propaganda session to begin creating brand loyalty to kids. I also recalled another interesting video from many years ago, where this food activist talks about the effects of advertising to children. Is about 15 min long but worth the watch. Just replace every mention of a food company with JW or WT
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Simplified Suggestion--The 144,000
by FusionTheism inthe governing body has recently placed a large priority on simplicity and clarity in their teachings and publications.
for example:the watchtower study edition, march 15, 2015, pages 8-10:.
in recent years, the spiritual instruction provided by jehovahs organization has reflected an increased emphasis on simplicity and clarity.
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StarTrekAngel
Besides, if you keep taking credit away from all the anointed, they will rebel. Is worth mentioning that every time they publish something regarding the new identity of the F&DS, they make sure to let everyone know that they still feel the anointed are especial. -
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Simplified Suggestion--The 144,000
by FusionTheism inthe governing body has recently placed a large priority on simplicity and clarity in their teachings and publications.
for example:the watchtower study edition, march 15, 2015, pages 8-10:.
in recent years, the spiritual instruction provided by jehovahs organization has reflected an increased emphasis on simplicity and clarity.
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StarTrekAngel
Difficult to change. The WT has been saying that the 144,000 has to be symbolic because the 12000 of each tribe does not fit the tribes of old Israel. Apparently, one of the tribes mentioned in Revelation did not exist in the actual nation of Israel. -
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Rumor about the Imitate Jesus Convention
by FusionTheism ini saw a rumor a few weeks ago on reddit that the new imitate jesus convention is supposed to present new light and clarified understandings on the disfellowshipping/disassociation practices.. supposedly, if this rumor has any truth to it, there will be a talk given at the convention about how we should not be strict like the pharisees in how we shun people, loosening up some of the jw rules about this practice.. has anyone here heard anything about this or have more info on it?.
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StarTrekAngel
Sorry, it was not March, it was July. July 15, 2014 WT study edition. The first two articles on that publication. Among the things you read, there is also a picture that caught my attention. I am not sure if they just missed that during proof. See the picture bellow. In real life WT, arguing with someone with "apostate tendencies or attitudes" would never be allowed to challenge an elder. Much less do so in front of the whole congregation.
