how much do you want to bet that the organization has already started preparing articles for the watchtower magazines, convention talks, circuit overseers talks and letters to bodies of elders, to refute what is happening in australia?

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right now the most important thing for the wt to do is protect their image that they are gods visible organization.especially in the u.s. and latin american countries.

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D J JACKSON was the former CO/DO – here the snippets from the transcript:

Question: And in 1990 you were appointed by the Australia branch to serve as a circuit overseer?

D J JACKSON Answer: Correct.

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Question: And you then served as circuit overseer until 1998; is that right?

D J JACKSON Answer: correct - not on that circuit, though.

Question: And then as district overseer until 2014?

D J JACKSON Answer: Correct.

Question: Do you hold any position of responsibility in the currently?

D J JACKSON Answer: Only serving as an elder.

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Question: You say: [BCB]'s case is the only case involving child sexual abuse in which I have ever involved. The records available to the Royal Commission suggest there has been another case. You are going to be shown a name. I am not wanting you to say the name out aloud, because I'd rather keep it confidential, but it's to see whether that perhaps jogs your memory as to another case that you were involved in?

D J JACKSON Answer: No, sorry.

Question: It doesn't jog your memory? So as far as you can, sitting there now, there was just this one case of child sexual abuse in your years that you had to deal with?

D J JACKSON Answer: Yes.

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I highlighted "only" ;-)

8 years a CO

16 years a DO

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Is It Time to regroup?

by John Aquila in

how much do you want to bet that the organization has already started preparing articles for the watchtower magazines, convention talks, circuit overseers talks and letters to bodies of elders, to refute what is happening in australia?

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right now the most important thing for the wt to do is protect their image that they are gods visible organization.especially in the u.s. and latin american countries.

fastJehu

John Aquila
How much do you want to bet that the Organization has already started preparing articles for the Watchtower magazines, convention talks, Circuit Overseers talk’s and letters to bodies of elders, to refute what is happening in Australia?

The GB has only 1 chance - they have to apologize.

One example is my elderly mother. If I say anything about 1975, she always say: "look into the 1980 WT, they have said sorry for this" and does not say another word about 1975.

If the GB apologize about the child abuse, every JW can say, "they have said sorry for that - and now let us speak about something spiritually beneficial".

just my 2 cents

*** w80 3/15 p. 17 par. 5 Choosing the Best Way of Life ***
There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.

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Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?

by Wasanelder Once in

are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?

do you feel personally vindicated by it?

do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?

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Do you feel vindicated by the ....

snare&racket
For me, the recurring thoughts are centred on respect for Barbara Anderson and the steps she made. I wonder how far behind we would be without her and silent lambs. 15 years ago she initiated this huge exposure and I can't imagine how necessary it was for those that have suffered sexual abuse in the religion that simply didn't care, wasn't allowed to care!

I feel for Barbara and her husband and all the other JWs, who have beed DF for there dedication to help AND to speak for changes in the organisation.

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Nine Seconds that says it all. Have these elders any shame?

by Wasanelder Once in

what can i add?

this says it all.. elder on stand is mute till prompted.. .

i guess i could encourage you to watch to the end and a guest commentary, lol..

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Ruby456
oh c'me on OrphanCrow - I have done all my reading re the commission and stand by my concerns. I don't like to see the shit kicked out of people even if they deserve it - so we are very different.
I still think there should be proper representation for both parties. This is coming across like Jesus being questioned before the Sanhedrin but whats more this is even worse as it is public whereas that was in private. edit: Plus Jesus could stand his own better as he was what we would today consider middle class from a sociological perspective whereas these elders who are being questioned are probably not even that, having probably left school at 16-18.

So - why is the JC from the elders not public (like the bible want it)?

So - where is the proper representation for both parties in a JC?

Why can a JC not be filmed? Why must be the documents of a JC destroyed?

Why can't I have a lawyer or other person with me in a JC - when the elders are 3 persons?

Because, the elders are thinking, that it is OK in this way they handle it.

So they have to accept, that it is for the Royal Commission also OK the way, they doing it.

@ Ruby456:
This does not mean, that I don't like you. Thanks for posting so openly what you think.

For me only this one point you wrote is worthy of discussion. :-)

edit:

*** hb p. 21 You Have the Right to Choose ***
Of course, Christians agree with laws or court action to prevent child abuse or neglect.

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If Disfellowshipping pedophiles protects the congregation, what does it do for "Those Outside" they are expelled to?

by Wasanelder Once in

we all know the wt basis for disfellowshipping, (1 corinthians 5:9-13) 9 12 for what do i have to do with judging those outside?

do you not judge those inside, 13 while god judges those outside?

remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.. if removing "the man" is a protection for the congregation and no police are called, what does it say about the witnesses view of the world?

fastJehu

Wasanelder Once

They have no compunction about sending predators out in the world without warning them. The protection of the flock is done by merely banishing them with an option to return, but they can rape in the meantime? Does this show contempt of the Witnesses towards their neighbor? How can you do this and "love your neighbor as yourself"? What is your view of this?

They have learned from "the great teacher" - Jesus & his "father".

Jesus protected the heaven and removed satan into the circle of the earth.

And put it also into the bible:

(Revelation 12:12) 12 On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”

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Child abuse a sin not a crime to JW's

by snare&racket in

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this australian investigation is astounding to watch.. the elders clearly don't see child abuse as criminal, if a jw confessed to murder, the police would immediately be called.

yet child rape is a spiritual issue..... ridiculous.. this is what happens when 7 window cleaners lead a bunch of dangerously loyal, ignorant middle aged men ...... in managing 7 million people..

fastJehu

Think about this elder statement:

THE CHAIRman asks: Do you have any knowledge of the law or legal obligations ...

D. Ali answers: Not - not really, no.

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He says, he has not any knowledge of the law.
I just can not believe that a grown man says this to a judge in public - and every person on earth can see this again and again. How dumb can this man be.

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[Day 3 - 29/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

since the responds was very positive and because of the "cliffhanger" from day 2, i decided to record day 3 as well.. part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1: .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8ptogc6k0&index=7&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui.

(it will take a little while before 1080p becomes available as youtube processes the video.).

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@ C0ntr013r

Thanks a lot for the youtube uploads.

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