ecan6,
You do not have any accoutability to anyone but God. Not the org, not those who are in and not to a man made society. You ARE free, you just need to remind yourself of that.
The only control they have over you is what you give them.
Posts by Aroq
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22My conversation with my mother in law.
by StephaneLaliberte inmy wife and i recently took the decision to fade out progressively and we are now in the stage where we no longer assist to our meetings.
in this process, we have told the truth to our respective parents but have not forced ourselves upon them; meaning that: we will talk about it when you want to.
as a result, my mother in-law already had some conversations with my wife on why we no longer went, but never brought up the subject with me, at least, up until yesterday.. she was telling us that a good deal of people miss us at the meeting and i answered that i missed them also.
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New Article on JW.org about gay people
by ateograciasadios inok, sometimes i go to jw.org just to laugh a bit about the 'food at the proper time', and i would like to know what people think of this hillarious article 'am i attracted to the same sex.
does that mean i am gay?'.
this has to be one of the most remarkable pieces of logic (last paragraph of the article).. the bibles stand is not unreasonable.
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Aroq
yalbmert99, good question!!! Can they marry themselves?
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New Light - Good for goose... gander SOL
by Zoos inwhen jws accept new light they must, by default, accept that what they were teaching was false.
they allow themselves the luxury of error so long as it is in the pursuit of better understanding.. .
you would think this scenario demands that allowance be made for other religions with false teachings, but alas, no.
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jam, was that really new light or was Jesus telling them to focus on the point and not make many many many rules to try and harness it?
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Is Jesus Christ Your Mediator? Watchtower's Position is Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit!
by RottenRiley in2. p. 363; emphasis added) .
(ibid., p. 362; emphasis added) .. to say jesus is mediator only for the 144,000 is actually to deny the possibility of forgiveness of sins for any others.
; emphasis added) .
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Aroq
designs,
The appeal is that you need to do nothing more than believe Jesus died for your sins and was raised. It is a free gift.
Free, no cost to you. So why wouldn't you? No need to turn in hours, no need to knock on doors, no need to shun. Free to be in freedom. The "works" are what you do out of faith in Jesus, not by requirement.
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Hell or no hell
by never a jw inabout a year ago i had an exchange of emails with an elder of a congregation where all my jw relatives attend.
i asked him all kinds of questions regarding blood, 607, shunning, evolution, higher education.
as anticipated, he either had no answer or provided an evasive one.
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Aroq
This matter comes into play if you believe in the Bible and what it says. I do. If you do as well, then do you agree that Jesus was perfect and never lied? I do. The parable mentioned above was from His own mouth. Jesus said this place existed. Now is it all fire and brimstone? Maybe, maybe not. The thing is though, there is a place that is seperate from God, and if you believe in God and the Bible, then "hell" is not somewhere you want to be.
For those who believe that the soul does not survive after death, and your thoughts are placed into a spirit body, please state why you believe this. 1 Samuel 28:8-19 is a great set of scriptures to discuss this.
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Ananias, and Sapphira
by Quarterback ini always found this bible acct to be puzzling.
it's found in the book of acts.
it starts by mentioning that in jerusalem a need arosed to care for some christians who lived together as a community.
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Aroq
Peter was not the one who was responsible for the death of Annias and Sapphira.
Quarterback, I see where you are comming from and it is difficult. I mean look at Lots wife, all she did was look back and poof same thing. Are these instances written to show the power of God? How we should have a healthy fear of God?
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Ananias, and Sapphira
by Quarterback ini always found this bible acct to be puzzling.
it's found in the book of acts.
it starts by mentioning that in jerusalem a need arosed to care for some christians who lived together as a community.
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Aroq
Yes we all lie from time to time. I understand the other views here on this story, but I believe the Bible. I believe that it is God's word to us. So my reasoning on this story is this:
These people were living for God and Annias and Sapphira were supposedly part of this but in their heart they were not. The idea was to share with God's people for the development of a church. Greed took them over and they wanted to be more than just a regular person within this "church". They were self pleasing. While we all have this in us at times, how many of us have actually done this in the face of God? Now I am different than most of you, I have never been a JW and never believed their lies. So some of you may think that you have lied to God's org or something of that nature, but what have you kept from God? The org is not God's org!
That is what I get from this story, we do lie to each other, we do hide things from each other, but Annias and Sapphira were lying to God in their hearts, not to Peter or the others. The people would never know (well maybe but probably not) but the group did this for God and Annias and Sapphria knew that it was for God.
Take it or leave it, but that is how I see it.
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Oregon Ducks Gym Floor
by Aroq indid one of you paint ttatt on the gym floor?.
i saw this last night while watching the basketball game.
right under the big o it has ttatt.
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Did one of you paint TTATT on the gym floor?
I saw this last night while watching the Basketball game. Right under the big O it has TTATT. Not sure what it is for or what it means, but it sure looks obvious to me.
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Agreed.
I found it just crazy that this is given no thought by the JW's I presented it to.
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Aroq
Following the thinking on this thread I have also come up with a Biblical logical reason why the 144k is not all that reach Heaven. I have tried to use this but was given the wall of denial and diversion. Here it goes:
In Galatians 4:21-31, Paul is speaking of the two covenants in an allegory between Hagar and Sarah. Those that were of Hagar were born in the ordinary way (Jewish descent) and those born of Sarah were a result of a promise (born by the power of the Spirit).
Starting at verse 24 Paul goes into explaining the meaning of each Sarah and Hagar and to which Jerusalem they belong to. Hagar stood for the present city of Jerusalem and Sarah stood for the Jerusalem from above. The Jerusalem from above was free, just like Sarah in the allegory. This is the New Jerusalem spoken of in Revelation chapter 21 which is from above. In Verse 27 (a quote from Isaiah 54:1) it says that the children of the desolate woman (Sarah) will outnumber those of the woman with the husband (Hagar). It goes on in Isaiah to explain that this group will be much greater in number than the children of "Hagar".
So all of that being said, how can the New Jerusalem (Rev chapter 21)consist of only the 144,000 if Sarah's(Jerusalem from above) descendants will out number Hagar's (Earthly Jerusalem)?
At Gal 4:24 “24 These things may be taken as a symbolic drama; for these women mean two covenants, the one from Mount Si′nai, which bears children for slavery and which is Ha′gar.”
If we look to see the history of this covenant at Mount Si’nai it takes us back to Exodus 19:1-5 and the Ten Commandments at Exodus 20. This took place three months after the Israelites left Egypt (Exodus 19:1) and at that time there were 600,000 men not including the women and children (Exodus 12:31-38). These were men of 20 years of age and older (Exodus 38:26). So rightfully there were close to 1.2 million people (women and children included) in all if not more. This is the covenant represented in Gal 4:25 as I understand it.
After establishing a number (could be more) in the covenant of Hagar, we know that from the scripture in Isaiah 54:1 that the other covenant mentioned in Gal 4 (Sarah) is to outnumber the first. This puts a problem with the 144,000 being the Heavenly Jerusalem/Jerusalem from above/New Jerusalem as there were more than 600,000 in the covenant with Hagar!