"This post is not a defence of Bill Bowen . . . " -- Brummie
I couldn't have said it better myself ! LOL
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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip
by Dogpatch infrom silentlambs (bill bowen):.
on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.
in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.
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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip
by Dogpatch infrom silentlambs (bill bowen):.
on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.
in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.
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144thousand_and_one
Thi Chi,
You alleged that I have relied on "false assumptions," yet you failed to cite anything that could be construed as such.
Mulan,
You and others here seem to think that the purported payment of Mr. Bowen's expenses by the Watchtower is something noteworthy or unusual. While I don't know the exact details of that case, it is very common for opposing parties in a deposition to pay for witness travel fees due to legal requirements relating to the location in which a deposition is taken. States have differing rules on this, but generally such rules protect witnesses from having to travel at their own expense to depositions far from home, thereby eliminating a means to abuse the witnesses (by forcing them to travel and pay their own expenses).
The post that began this thread and was attributed to Mr. Bowen was absolutely ridiculous, and I stand by my comments in this thread. Assuming these are his comments, I can't help but wonder why he doesn't post them here himself?
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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip
by Dogpatch infrom silentlambs (bill bowen):.
on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.
in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.
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Sword,
I've asked my parents for Watchtower financial statements, but they've never been able to come up with them, despite being prodded as to what the Society is hiding. If they did disclose that information to the public, it would be all over these web sites.
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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip
by Dogpatch infrom silentlambs (bill bowen):.
on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.
in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.
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ThiChi,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I see your point as being that since the Watchtower is against taking your brother to court, they are hypocritical for going to court against these defendants. The problem with that analysis, however, is that the Watchtower is not the party taking someone to court. They are defending, and using legitimate legal means for doing so (i.e. Mr. Bowen's deposition). I don't recall the Watchtower condemning witnesses who defended themselves against legal action, even if the legal action was brought by a "brother" or "ex-brother."
BTW, thank you for bringing up the issue of not taking your brother to court. It's a great concept but a foolish idea. Assuming that elders are better able to resolve legal matters than our court system seems as wise to me as allowing me to pilot a commercial airliner, notwithstanding my lack of appropriate knowledge or training.
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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip
by Dogpatch infrom silentlambs (bill bowen):.
on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.
in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.
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"Ruby: No really, you're not very open minded if you really believe your own words. The donations are carefully spent on the world wide work. The congregations in the U.S. can afford a payment on their Kingdom Halls, for example, but 75% of the countries around the world would not be able to build Kingdom Halls without the help of the U.S. branch. Also, you think publishing the amount of literature the Watchtower does yearly is cheap? The accusation that they're greedy is really absurd!" - - Sword of Jah
Sword,
Speaking of open minded, how do you know where the donations are spent? I've never seen audited financial statements from the Watchtower corporations; in fact, I've never seen any financial statement from them. I don't think any of us are in a position to say that they're not "greedy," given those facts. If they have nothing to hide, why don't they publish some audited financial statements, along with compensation disclosures for their board of directors?
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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip
by Dogpatch infrom silentlambs (bill bowen):.
on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.
in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.
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144thousand_and_one
ThiChi,
The point here is that according to the statements of others here, Berry has been found guilty of criminal charges, but the civil charges against the Watchtower have not been adjudicated. Until they are found to be civilly liable for the actions of this creep, there's really no reason why they should open up their bank books for victims who are suing them.
The Watchtower should not be begrudged for using common legal strategies to defend itself in court; rather, it should be raked over the coals for encouraging the abuse and exploitation of children, the destruction of families, and the deaths of those who steadfastly abide by an illogical policy concerning blood transfusions. As much as I dislike the Watchtower, I won't hesitate to call a spade a spade.
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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip
by Dogpatch infrom silentlambs (bill bowen):.
on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.
in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.
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Mary,
I'm not up to speed on the case at issue, but I'd be willing to bet that the Watchtower could care less about the interests of the perpetrator of this crime. The Watchtower is a business, and it is their own financial interests they seek to protect. If you think their defense of Mr. Berry is for Mr. Berry's benefit, I've got some investments in Nigeria I'd like to talk to you about.
I am the last person who would defend the Watchtower, as I feel victimized by them as well. But I believe in our justice system and the fundamental ideas it is founded upon, such as the notion that one is innocent until proven guilty and should not have their life, liberty or property taken from them without due process of law.
If we're going to "try" cases on this web page that is frequented almost entirely by ex-JWs, then it seems only fair to me that those making assertions in this regard be exposed to scrutiny, even if that scrutiny comes from ex-JWs (like me). Due to legal reasons, the Watchtower will not defend itself here. It's up to the rest of us on this forum to question both the statements of others here as well as their motives. I believe in questioning authority, even if that authority purports to be aligned with my own views.
DJ,
I fail to see how my post is an "overreaction." No one is trying the case here, but some are certainly presenting their side of the story, and it seems only fair that one-sided presentations ought to be scrutinized by the readers here.
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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip
by Dogpatch infrom silentlambs (bill bowen):.
on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.
in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.
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[QUOTE] Watchtower is providing me with an all expense paid trip to New Hampshire in order to take a deposition from me. Plane fare, motel, rental car, food, all paid by world wide work monies. The purpose of the deposition is to question and determine my basis as an expert witness for Heather and Holly. In other words they are going to try and find a way to discredit me to prevent my testimony in their trial [/QUOTE]
Expert witnesses in any civil action are routinely deposed. The purpose of the deposition is to discover the nature of the deponent's testimony that will occur at trial. This enables opposing counsel to prepare to rebut said testimony through cross-examination and introduction of evidence that tends to refute the witness' statements. If a deponent is lying, they deserve to be discredited, regardless of their religious beliefs or status as an "apostate." This post seems aimed at sensationalizing what is a very normal part of the litigation process.
Cases like these ought to be tried in a courtroom, rather than on a web page.
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What online games do u play?
by RubyTuesday inhttp://ff.uproar.com/xappgames/password.asp
i have been playing password...it so much fun playing with other people.
if you want to play with me i'm rubyt3.
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My Letter to the Elders in My Late Father's Congregation
by cruzanheart inwell, guys, here it is.
it's going in the mail tomorrow.
it's for me but, dad, it's also for you.
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144thousand_and_one
(((Nina)))
I'm sorry to hear of your loss and disgusted at the circumstances you set forth in that well-written letter. Letters to that congregation from others here, expressing concern over this matter, may if nothing else let them know that they are being looked at with contempt over such actions and encourage them to reconsider their conduct in this regard. I'd be happy to send one but won't do it unless you give an ok here.
I wish you the best and a speedy recovery from your grief.
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