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  Have you got the "actulice" thingy yet?

  by Schizm in

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  just wondering if anyone else's computer is infected with the "actulice" thingy.. apparently it's spreading like wildfire.

  if you have it, or get it, let me know and i'll tell you how i managed to get rid of it.. (i think that maybe farkel or alanf sent it to me.

  if you have it you don't need for me to explain what it is to you.

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  Schizm

  Leolaia,

  This thing has a way of going undetected by those programs you mentioned.

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  Have you got the "actulice" thingy yet?

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wondering if anyone else's computer is infected with the "actulice" thingy.. apparently it's spreading like wildfire.

  if you have it, or get it, let me know and i'll tell you how i managed to get rid of it.. (i think that maybe farkel or alanf sent it to me.

  if you have it you don't need for me to explain what it is to you.

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  Schizm

  Just wondering if anyone else's computer is infected with the "actulice" thingy.

  Apparently it's spreading like wildfire. If you have it, or get it, let me know and I'll tell you how I managed to get rid of it.

  (I think that maybe Farkel or AlanF sent it to me. Or was it you, Gumby? )

  If you have it you don't need for me to explain what it is to you. But it's a program that some jerk installs on your computer that causes a pop-up to appear in the middle of the screen. The pop-up, which is a rather small square box, has "modF" written on it and an "OK" tab for you to click. Trying to "X" out of it is useless, and it won't allow you to shut your computer down. When you try to shut it down, the message on the little box changes to read "cannot quit".

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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

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  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Hey Big Tex,

  I noticed that you removed the little doggie from my post up above. If that offended you, are you going to remove the one that Elsewhere posted here?: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/15/71596/4.ashx

  All I was doing was following the example set by Elsewhere. Now, is that really so bad?

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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

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  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Nice pair of shoes you have on there, minimus. LOL Also, when it comes to what type of fabric you prefer for your pants, is denim your first choice?
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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
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  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Schizm

  Here's that post of mine which AlanF found he couldn't deal with:

  Hi AlanF,

  : Also, since we have to eat in order to stay alive then it seems that *food* is the key to continual life.

  Not at all. We breath air and we drink water in order to stay alive, but you're not proposing that *air* and *water* are keys to continual life. You're not arguing logically. Lack of any of these will kill us, but it doesn't follow that a sufficient supply or a supply of "the right kind" will allow us to live forever.

  It is true that we also need air and water in order to stay alive. However, the "key" to continuous life without ever dying is Biblically linked to *food*. Nothing was said about any "air of life" or "water of life" there in the Genesis account. It was a "tree of life" which Adam was no longer allowed to EAT from, and which finally led to his death.

  : All that we're told is that Adam and Eve themselves were allowed to do so.

  No, Genesis doesn't say that. You're jumping to a conclusion.

  According to Genesis 2:16, 17 Adam had permission to eat from "every" tree of the garden, except for ONE particular tree. So, how can you say that Genesis doesn't say that Adam had permission to eat from the tree of life?

  From what's been said so far I see no reason to ditch my original statements. Which were in two parts, as follows:

  [1] I believe that the "tree of life" contained the unique ingredients that Adam & Eve needed in order to sustain their lives forever. I also believe that they were at least periodically eating from this tree, for the reason that the other tree was the only one of the two that was off-grounds for them. It was only AFTER they disobeyed that they were prevented from eating of the tree of life any longer. Had they not disobeyed it appears that they would have continued to live for as long as they replenished the needs of their bodies by consuming the essential ingredients that could be found in the tree of life alone.

  No question about it, they had permission to eat of the tree of life.

  The fruit from the tree of life really had life-sustaining ingredients.

  The fruit from the "other" tree was simply good for food, just plain ole food, and to eat from it was to disobey God and merit not being worthy of eating of the tree of life any longer.

  So Adam and Eve would still be alive today had they not been disallowed from eating from the tree of life.

  We die for the same reason that Adam and Eve died ... because we need the ingredients from the tree of life and aren't getting them.

  [2] We die for the same reasons that Adam and Eve died. Namely, because we need the ingredients found in the tree of life, and can't have them. The reason we can't have them is because we fail to be fully righteous. We fail to be fully righteous because our fathers were unable to inculcate this quality into us by way of teaching us properly. Our fathers were unable to teach us properly because their fathers were just as incapable ... and so on all the way back to Adam. Ultimately it can all be blamed on "sin". Person's who "sin" aren't worthy of eating from the tree of life. Once we've been helped to overcome our sinfulness then we will be allowed to eat from the tree of life. That's apparently the reason for the mention of the "trees of life" in the book of Revelation. It has nothing at all to do with genes!

  I look forward to any further comments that you may make.

  Thanks,

  Schizm

  I asked AlanF why he didn't reply to my comments, and this is what he said:

  : Also, I had hoped that you would've made it back in order to offer a reply to my last post, addressed to you, but you never replied.

  I chose not to because you simply danced around my points, and I don't much feel like dancing with people about this topic. Really, since I believe it's like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, I'll take the time only as long as I have nothing more pressing to do. It's only of minor academic interest.

  For any of you who might not recognize it, this tactic, as used by AlanF, is as old as the hills. The idea is to make it look like the other person is the one who is side-stepping the issue when in fact it's ole AlanF himself that's doing all the side-stepping.

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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

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  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Boy, that little doggie of Elsewhere's is jumping on almost every leg he can find. Wonder who his next partner will be? LOL
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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

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  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

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  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Gumby,

  He prolly feels like he's being ganged up on.I'll still talk to ya schism

  Okay, for starters you might try answering the questions I presented in the previous post I addressed to YOU.

  Insofar as my being "ganged up on," that's all fine and dandy because I'm used to fending off a group of people who usually don't know what they're talking about. When it comes to a showdown, you'll find everytime that Farkel and AlanF are wimps. AlanF totally avoided addressing the points I had made in one of my posts addressed to him. The reason he did is because he couldn't deal with it honestly without having to admit that I was right. With regards to Farkel: he initially wanted to change the subject of this thread over to the subject of the "ransom" (with a little help from YOU). And after having succeeded in doing so, right off the bat he insisted on arguing about the meaning of the word "reply" ... disagreeing with the dictionary's definition of the word. It's quite obvious that all Farkel wanted to do is to derail the thread, one way or another. The reason? Because someone here (namely me) was supplying a valid answer to the question posed in its title. Wimps, I tell ya, they're intellectual wimps.

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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Hi Abaddon,

  I read all your posts in this thread, but I fail to see where anything you've said or asked is relevant to the subject of this thread (What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?). What is it about this subject that you would like to discuss? The subject has to do with the Biblical account of Adam.

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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Gumby,

  I read your statements you said I didn't read....and guess what? After I read them.......they still seem silly!

  But you don't specify a reason for your thinking that my statements "seem silly" to you. Why is that? Because you want to keep it a secret? Because you really don't know why, you just do? Actually, Gumby, I think if you really did think my statements were "silly" then you wouldn't be so hesitant to explain how that's the case. I don't really believe that you can do that. Want to try proving me wrong?

  (a) So, in order for man to live forever......he was dependent on a fruit eh? (b) How long was Adam supposed to eat this fruit?

  (a) That's correct.

  (b) For as long as he wanted to live. In other words, forever.

  What if he wanted to move somewhere else and there was no tree like that? Was that the ONLY tree? Did all mankind have to eat from this one tree.....or was he allowed to clone a few and scatter them around so people didn't have to travel too far to get their life fruit?

  The Revelation account speaks of gobs and gobs of these trees.

  So basically your saying a fruit tree was gods avenger of wayward children. If your bad.....no fruit, and you die.

  That's sort of an odd way to put it, but yeah you're basically right.

  I think you should start your own religion with this concept. You could call yourself "the fruitcakes".

  That's real nice of ya to say that, Gumby.

  Schizm