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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

meadow77

Top reasons the WTS is lying about the trinity.

Their translation of John 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs. The insertion of the phrase a god, instead of God is just a clear misinterpretation. The WTS claims that there is no article before logos therefore making it a god. However they are not even consistent in their own interpretations. There are several other passages with the same article missing, in which they translate logos as God, not a god. See John 1:6 and 1:18. Then there is the blatant strangeness of this interpretation. They ridicule Trinitarians for belief in a three headed diety. They can quote verses about Jehovah being the only God from sun up until sun down. Yet they are the only ones conceding that the bible makes reference to more than one God. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was A GOD. They cant get around the word God here, but they believe inserting the word a, somehow will change the meaning. Which it does, to show how clearly it is the WTS are the only folks believing in more than one God.
The WTS says the holy spirit is simply an inactive force. This is interesting since the holy spirit is described with person like traits. We see that the holy spirit teaches, comforts, is grieved, and can be lied to. Whens the last time you lied to your socks? Furthermore the bible makes the point that by lying to the holy spirit, you are directly lying to God (Acts 5:3-4)
I am the Alpha and the Omega. Look at Rev 1:8. Note that their can only be one Alpha and Omega. Then turn to -13. The Alpha and Omega here says he is coming quickly, still the JW will insists that this is Jehovah. But then if we continue on to verse 16, we see that Jesus is speaking. This is when it becomes clear that both Jesus and God are referred to as The alpha and Omega.
Jesus accepted worship. There are several examples of people worshiping Jesus. There are no examples in the bible of Jesus refusing worship. Even the JWs will tell you that worshipping anyone other than God is a big no-no. So why would the greatest man who ever lived and was sinless, allow himself to be worshipped?
SEE HEBREWS FOR REFUTATION TO JESUS AS AN ANGEL
The Jews crucified him for blasphemy. The Jews had to have a valid reason for killing Christ. The only law he had broken was blasphemy, and they said as much. Jesus declared before Abraham, I AM. I AM was clearly God, as this is How God had revealed himself to Moses. The Jews understood Jesus to be making himself equal with God by saying I Am.

There are plenty of other arguments for why the WTS are seriously mistaken about the diety of Christ, but as this thread is getting longer by the minute, Ill stop here.

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New opinion on Memorials

by ChileanRick in

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here in chile, when the times of memorial its near, you can see a lot of brothers and sister buying new clothes for that ocassion.

so, when you are attending the memorial meeting, you can feel nobody is listening really.

everybody is looking how are the others clothed, who is a visitor, and when the meeting gets and end, nobody is really interested in other ones, but only in its friends.

I am surprised by the J.W. idea of communion, as I am anybody elses. First of all we understand that we are all to "do this in remembrance of me", not just some special elite class. Second of all, since when did communion consists of a shot glass of grape juice, and an I don't even know where those wafers come from. Jesus and his followers had a feast. Jesus broke the bread. He didn't put a microscopic yuk wafer in his mouth, and he didn't make rules for who could or could not partake. Just one more thing that most christians have backwards, and that the JW's have really backwards.

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What am I missing???

by link in

in paragraph 17 on page 15 of the watchtower for october 1 2002 it says:.

"like jeremiah, we too bear an unpopular message.

it is the same message for which jesus was despised.".

meadow77

Thanx JG for the heads up. I'm still laughing! The witchtower Babble and Crap Society was my fave. I have one more question, if anyone could help, What's all the reference to a two door car being bad?

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JW/HLC visit to our hospital

by ScoobySnax in

yesterday jehovahs witnesses and the hospital liason committee visited our hospital to donate a blood cell saver machine which had been funded by the local congregations in our county of kent in england.

a buffet lunch was provided, along with 4 talks to a large audience of surgical and medical consultants, anaetheologists, paedatricians, and obstetraticians (sp!

) about the future of blood and the transfusion of such products.

meadow77

It seems to me that God ordered people to not eat blood. Eating human flesh or human blood is truly disgusting, but I fail to understand how saving your life or someone elses could be classified as eating blood. Furthermore perhaps God was making a scientific statement as well when he said the life is in the blood. Many people of that time did not understand this as is evidenced by procedures such as bloodletting. We know know that God was correct in saying the life is in the blood. For surely there is no medical benefit to losing your blood. One dies when they lose too much blood.If suicide is such an awful sin, wouldn't refusing a way to save your life qualify?

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Suicide ends pain for many

by joelbear in

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doctors have began prescribing suicide as a way out of pain saying that this medical avenue should have been recommended many more times in the past.

meadow77

It is interesting to note that the scriptures are quite silent on the subject of suicide. Clearly the WTS has used this and depression as another way to make people feel guilty for being weak minded. I have read the numerous accounts of people (especially here) who were first made to feel depressed by the WTS and then alienated because of their depression. I believe many religions believe that suicide is the ultimate unforgivable sin for obvious reasons, but Jesus never stated that. It seems that dying by taken your own life would be no more damning than if you died while in the state of some other sin, or without having asked for forgiveness of your sins. Unless your catholic, that is not the logic christians subscribe to. Once you accept christ as your personal savior there is nothing tha can seperate you from his love. And surely if you died sinning, having accepted christ, you would be forgiven. Having said that, suicide is never a good option. Many who have suffocated under the weight of a depression monster understands how gloomy the future appears. However anyone who has found mercy in the lap of Abba(daddy) father knows that healing can come. YOur merciful and loving father sent us a comforter for such times as this and it is only the enemy that would encourage you to not call upon him. I also would leave my email open to anyone who needs a shoulder to cry on. My door is always open just like my heavenly Fathers.

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DF'ed for Organ Transplants?

by NeonMadman in

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i'm in a discussion with a jw who is claiming that the society never actually prohibited organ transplants between 1967 and 1980. she has read the 1967 article, but feels that, since the article does not specifically state that anyone taking a transplant will be disfellowshipped, that it was simply discouraged, but not prohibited.. can anyone help with a reference demonstrating that jw's could be df'ed during that period for accepting a transplant?

meadow77

Good Work Neon! I wholeheartedly believe that their is no shame in speaking the real truth. JW's believe that it is essential to spread the word to worldy non believers. Why should they expect less from people who disagree with their beliefs? Don't hide your light.One day you will be rewarding for the seeds you planted.

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I always disagreed with ....

by fulano in

disfellowshipping on smoking.. especially smoking a cigar from time to time does not have to be harmfull.

but i personally have disfellowshipped persons for smoking sigarettes, although i never saw a good biblical base.i mean ..how many filthy fat friends did we have, addicted to sugar, carbs, and you just knew they were going to have health-problems sooner or later.

now i smoke cigars, maybe one good cuban a day, and i am slim, active and can run 10 miles without any problems.. who had the same doubts about this dogma?

meadow77

Smoking is a sin

Overeating is a sin

Drinking to excess is a sin

Disobeying your parents is a sin

Lying is a sin

Thinking bad thoughts are a sin

Hating someone is murder

Judging people is a sin

I am overjoyed to report that God in his infinite wisdom knew that we could not be perfect. The list of sin is long, but God's grace is longer. I occasionally overeat, and I haven't been able to kick my smoking habit just yet. I will not make excuses for the list of sins I commit, but that's between me and God. If you confess your sins he is faithful and just to forgive you.Amen. It's funny to me that imperfect men think that they can stand in judgment of another imperfect man. God is Good. Still feeling the grace though not perfect.

P.S. Nothing can seperate us from the love of christ. Nothing!

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What am I missing???

by link in

in paragraph 17 on page 15 of the watchtower for october 1 2002 it says:.

"like jeremiah, we too bear an unpopular message.

it is the same message for which jesus was despised.".

meadow77

First of all I would like to know how do the JW's get away with referring to themselves as "spititual Jews" As they are so fond of pointing out that words such as trinity do not appear in the bible, nor does spiritual jews. We are all allowed through God's grace to enter into his kingdom, but clearly through his promise to abraham the Jews (not spiritual) are his chosen people. To me that's like saying I am a spiritual african american. It doesn't work that way. Every other theologian and christian organization recognizes that the 144,000 are explicitly referring to the tribes of Isreal. There is no way around that as far as I can see. Also though, what is meant by Borg. I have read many refer to that, and I don't understand what it means.

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Prayers through the name of Jesus?

by ozziepost in

it's common practice for dubs to end their prayers with words that indicate that they are being made "in jesus' name" i.e.

through the mediatorship of jesus.

more than that, dubs listening to congregation prayers would be aghast if the prayer leader omitted the words "through jesus christ" as the concluding remark of his prayer.

meadow77

I understand clearly what your point is, and I can't wait to share this bit of trickery with my JW relatives. It seems no-one but the wt is trying to say that Jesus is not the mediator between man and God. He gives his love and answer to prayer freely to anyone who ask in his name. But the JW's official Watch Tower is the one interpreting this incorrectly as to say that only the 144,000 may recieve Jesus as their mediator and everyone else just gets to tag along. How sad. But then again we are talking about people who deny the diety of christ and therefor can convienantly make him less of importance any time they feel like it. They also refer to the holy spirit as an inactive force. It seems strange that such human responsibilities like comforting and teaching would be attributed to an "inactive force" Not to mention I believe the only sin listed in the bible as unforgivable is blasphemy against the holy spirit. Seems hard to blaspheme against an inactive force.

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WBTS reply about UN involvement

by Bosho in

okay, firstly appologies for it taking me, like a million years to actually get back to you good people.. i was sent a letter back and guess what... standard reply was issued!.

i don't have a scanner (it blew up ages ago!

) but the main body of the letter was the same as i've seen on other threads here.

meadow77

I just registered today. I am not a jw, but have many relatives and friends who are. I am now a born again christian and have dreamed of a way to show my family the real "truth" without confrontation. I am writing to you first bcuz of your comment about exchanging relatives addresses to send them this info on the U.N. If anything I would at least love for someone to mail me the proof they have about the WT involvement with the U.N. I would love to tell everyone my whole story involving the JW'S. It's been a long and winding road, but as a christian now, I try to put away my feelings of disbelief and anger. I am trying now to reach my family. If anyone has suggestions, I am open.