Posts by WingCommander

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Change in WT Stance on Retirement? A qualified answer?

by blondie in

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i was reading the march 2025 wt today, and i notice this: "march 2025 p. 29 jehovah’s hand is not too short p.29-31 (retirement, but qualified statement) (notice , it is not wrong, but, in the end we must rely on their god.

retirement is alluded to as "making the quest for material things the focus of our life.

" are we confident that their god will provide (why have retirement then?

WingCommander

The higher-ups at WT HQ don't have to worry about retirement like all of the SUCKERS who've bought into their end-times nonsense and "Wait on Jehovah" and "Jehovah Provides!" nonsense. Nope! See, they've got a brand new retirement community up at Fishkill where they retire to, staffed by volunteer Bethelites who wait on them and clean their homes, etc. Hell, I've just found out that they have different activity days/nights, and even have afternoon cocktails and mixers! (as is the Bethel way!)

So while the rank-n-file sheeple are left out in the cold, hoping their Congregation (lol, yeah right!) or worldly non-JW relatives will take care of them, the ELITE up at WT HQ get to retire on the Sheeple's dime at Fishkill. All expenses paid, with a final trip to the "Launch Pad" as a final farewell. Ahhhhh.......it's good to be the KINGS, aye? That's not even mentioning the types like Lett, Morris, and Jolene who had all kinds of business dealings off on the side making MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, while the rest of the pauper Bethelites were forced to sign a "vow of poverty" upon entering Bethel service, and were even forbidden from holding "G-Jobs" to make some extra bucks to be able to buy a decent meal or not have to cloth themselves from the second hand donation box.

Fuck this money-grubbing cult. The more I find out about it, the angrier I get at how big and far reaching the con is.

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Reddit thread on convention video urging cutting off contact with Faders

by LongHairGal in

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friends

i just read this.

don’t know if anybody here has seen the video.. the intended result of this is to obviously scare ‘faders’ out of the shadows.

now, they are being threatened with loss of association with their loved ones and friends.

WingCommander

Lett-the-Clown (Honk-Honk!) is the moron that just keeps giving! And no one up in WT HQ is brave enough or has the testicular fortitude to actually say, "Hey, maybe we should edit that part out before we put it on the Broadcast." Helllll nooooo! No one would dare to question when the "Earthly Princes" go off-script and spout off totally offending nonsense.

It'd be sad, if it weren't so hysterical and useful to the ex-JW cause of showing normal people how INSANE this dumbass cult is.

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SDAs Campaigning in my Area

by NotFormer in

not even as active as the jws (whom i have not seen for around a year now), nevertheless i get an occasional leaflet or other publication in my letterbox that seems to be seventh day adventist in origin.. the booklet i received the other day was entitled "national sunday law".

i also had received this book years ago when i had some dealings with the sdas.. from reddit: "national sunday law involves a conspiracy theory which alleges that the united states government is on the verge of enacting a national blue law that would make sunday a day of rest and worship.

the theory depends on the idea that the pope is the antichrist and the mark of the beast is worshipped on sunday.

WingCommander

@Blondie:

I hear ya, the 1800's where crazy in America (in particular, NY and PA) for these kinds of crazy new religions to start up.

CTR was surrounded by a lot, and picked and choose from:

Second Adventists

Quakers

Masons

Christadelphians

Pyramidologists

Other occults

Like a buffet, he picked what he wanted from each group and created his own religious nutbag salad and left the rest to rot.

Want to the see what a Congregation of JW's will look like in 20 years? Visit a Christadelphian Eclasis (if you can find one). All grey hairs sighing and moaning and gnashing of false teeth. No youth are to be found. The only place you'll find JW's will be up at their cult compound, IF it even still exists. (lawsuits may force foreclosure? One can dream)

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Reddit thread on convention video urging cutting off contact with Faders

by LongHairGal in

jw
friends

i just read this.

don’t know if anybody here has seen the video.. the intended result of this is to obviously scare ‘faders’ out of the shadows.

now, they are being threatened with loss of association with their loved ones and friends.

WingCommander

If this is the video with the 2 guys, I can honestly say I'm floored by it.

1. It's infantile.

2. It's completely the opposite of how Jesus behaved. Even HE heard out Satan in the garden, spoke to him, etc.

3. The fact that the JW guy comes off like an unreasonable toddler is not lost on me, while the supposed "Apostate!" is level-headed and logical.

4. The real head turner: When the JW states that if his soon-to-be-ex-friend doesn't "turn himself in to his Elders, than I will!" Then turns and storms off like a toddler. This is the same shit the Nazi's trained into the children while they were growing up in the Hitler Youth. They were trained to turn in not only friends, but also any family who dared to speak negatively about the Fuhrer or the Party to the Gestapo.

It's wild how truly "culty" this segment was. It will absolutely wake some people up. Their minds will simply explode viewing the stupidity of it all. There's been talk of PIMO's high up planting these types of ideas into video segments, and I can almost believe it! If so, I congratulate them and say, "Bravo!"

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Verdict on the 2025 convention

by gavindlt in

final thoughts after 15 hours of the 2025 assembly.

after dedicating 15 hours to the 2025 assembly, i walked away with a heavy sense of spiritual emptiness.

the only part that managed to stir anything within me was a single video on day one titled “what does jesus see in you?”—a piece with sentimental appeal, but still surface-level at best.. .

WingCommander

I humbly submit what I consider is about next for the Org: Kid songs about OBEYING THE GOVERNING BODY.

Hey! Iglesia Ni Cristo cult in the Philippines (modeled right after the JW's belief system) has one already that the JW's can copy, just like they do with Mormon stuff already. (Family Worship Night, stolen right from the Mormons, as well as Caleb and Sophia)

Check it out, and bring your barf bag:

Always Submit to the Church Administration

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SDAs Campaigning in my Area

by NotFormer in

not even as active as the jws (whom i have not seen for around a year now), nevertheless i get an occasional leaflet or other publication in my letterbox that seems to be seventh day adventist in origin.. the booklet i received the other day was entitled "national sunday law".

i also had received this book years ago when i had some dealings with the sdas.. from reddit: "national sunday law involves a conspiracy theory which alleges that the united states government is on the verge of enacting a national blue law that would make sunday a day of rest and worship.

the theory depends on the idea that the pope is the antichrist and the mark of the beast is worshipped on sunday.

WingCommander

Reading about Nelson Barbour, you can really see how much CTR started to steal from others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_H._Barbour

Even CTR's pyramidolgy ideas were stolen from others. The man was a snake-oil salesman false prophet of the highest order. He never had even (1) original idea. He merely took a whole bunch of stuff that was floating around at the time, mixed it all together and repackaged it, then SOLD IT for PROFIT. He also loved to hear himself speak. That Creation film was about the most original thing he put out. Oh! And the Leviathan being a steam locomotive, and it's tongue was the front coupling. (Source: Studies in the Scriptures, some crazy ass shit for sure!)

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SDAs Campaigning in my Area

by NotFormer in

not even as active as the jws (whom i have not seen for around a year now), nevertheless i get an occasional leaflet or other publication in my letterbox that seems to be seventh day adventist in origin.. the booklet i received the other day was entitled "national sunday law".

i also had received this book years ago when i had some dealings with the sdas.. from reddit: "national sunday law involves a conspiracy theory which alleges that the united states government is on the verge of enacting a national blue law that would make sunday a day of rest and worship.

the theory depends on the idea that the pope is the antichrist and the mark of the beast is worshipped on sunday.

WingCommander

@NotFormer:

Wow! That having to declare at Baptism that Ellen G. White is a Prophet, is strangely familiar! It's like the JW baptism vows of being baptized "in the name of the Father, the Son, and God's spirit-directed Organization on Earth".

It's total blasphemy, idolotry, and a total deal breaker for anyone with critical thinking and 2 brain cells who knows anything about the bible. However, cults sway and swoon you and by the time you've reached baptism stage, it's a minor thing.

@Blondie:

Wow.....that piece you copied from the SDA's about how THEY have outreach programs, schools, etc and about showing love and compassion to others is truly striking. You'll NEVER hear or see that coming from the JW's. Never! Now, it's all about what can you do for THEM, give to THEM, worship THEM! Total cult BS.

I'd like to note this about SDA's of today: There have been several splits among the SDA's. Some believe in the Trinity, some don't. Some allow women pastors now, some don't. I also believe there are some regions that no longer consider Ellen G. White a "prophet", but merely a bit inspired.

From the SDA's, there's also been many splinter groups. Most notably, down thru the years.....The Branch Davidian's. (Davish Koresh)

I once viewed like a 2 hour lecture from a college professor or something on Youtube, and he laid out using visual aides and specified how they all branched out from the Millerite Movement and The Great Disappointment. It was absolutely fascinating!

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SDAs Campaigning in my Area

by NotFormer in

not even as active as the jws (whom i have not seen for around a year now), nevertheless i get an occasional leaflet or other publication in my letterbox that seems to be seventh day adventist in origin.. the booklet i received the other day was entitled "national sunday law".

i also had received this book years ago when i had some dealings with the sdas.. from reddit: "national sunday law involves a conspiracy theory which alleges that the united states government is on the verge of enacting a national blue law that would make sunday a day of rest and worship.

the theory depends on the idea that the pope is the antichrist and the mark of the beast is worshipped on sunday.

WingCommander

@Dagney:

That "other guy that put out a monthly magazine" is probably Harold Camping. He was more famous for radio network. He had a good many followers. He was like another Frederick Franz, spouting off end-times nonsense ad nauseam for decades until HIS End, in 2013.

See here for reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Camping

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SDAs Campaigning in my Area

by NotFormer in

not even as active as the jws (whom i have not seen for around a year now), nevertheless i get an occasional leaflet or other publication in my letterbox that seems to be seventh day adventist in origin.. the booklet i received the other day was entitled "national sunday law".

i also had received this book years ago when i had some dealings with the sdas.. from reddit: "national sunday law involves a conspiracy theory which alleges that the united states government is on the verge of enacting a national blue law that would make sunday a day of rest and worship.

the theory depends on the idea that the pope is the antichrist and the mark of the beast is worshipped on sunday.

WingCommander

I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm not surprised by this. We've got a LOT of SDA in the area, along with their schools and hospitals. Hey, at least they have them! (JW's have NOTHING!)

Anyway, as I was finally convinced JW's were a cult about 25 years ago, a much younger me started to look around at similar faiths. Of course, I looked into SDA's, whom had similar belief structure. It would have been so easy to slip right in, adapt to their beliefs, diet, Saturday Sabbath, etc.

Why didn't I? Well, once I started looking harder, I saw that it was same cult shit, different flavour. Basically JW cult cousins. Branched right off from the the Millerite "Great Disappointment", with another fruit-loop "prophet" - Ellen G. White.

You also had an Elder Body, shunning, rules out the ass, etc. It was all too familiar and cultish. I "Noped" it right out of there before I even attended (1) meeting. How? All from internet research and speaking to a few members.

Anyway, years ago by. Around 2010 or so I was the York Fair. JW's had a tent and table I believe. They do this every year now. No one comes up to them. One year, the Fair put them next to the pigmy goat petting/feeding zoo outside. I laughed my ass off at the irony of that. Anyway, further down inside a pavilion with some other religious groups, I came upon an SDA table with literature. I picked some up and browsed thru some of it. OMG!!! I was so weird, cause was SOOOOO much like JW literature. Gloom and Doom, petting pandas in Paradise ala Live Forever Book....... that I was really taken aback. What, do these cults all share the same Art Department? Makes you wonder. It was a trip seeing that stuff.

So how is a loving God going to judge people who belong to either group? How can you say 1 group is right, and the other is wrong, when they are damn near identical? It's insane to think that. A loving God would have exercise leniency and mercy. GRACE. You know, what JW's know nothing about?

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The JW's are suing Mark O'Donnell in civil court for millions.So protect the pedos, and suit the whistelblowers? Shame on this cult!

by WingCommander in

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link to his announcement on www.jwchildabuse.org:.

https://www.jwchildabuse.org/news/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-editor-of-jw-child-abuse-website-for-millions/.

if anyone needed any further proof of how low and despicable this cult has become, here's more evidence.

WingCommander

WatchTower are scumbags for doing this, just like Scientology. Think this won't get out and around in JW circles? That WT is suiting a Whistleblower who's done nothing but expose their CSA problem?

I hope Mark or others can get some real large media attention drawn to this. Like Spotlight did up in Boston when dealing with the Catholic Church. It could really help Mark, and totally backfire on the Org.

Instead of bunkering down, Mark needs to ramp up and start hitting up every media contact he has at Atlantic, the Philadelphia Inquirer, The Guardian, NY Times, NY Post, Washington Post, Sydney Morning Herald, you name it. Really put the spotlight on how low WatchTower is.

This shit is so unreal to me. Hell, I went weak in the knees when I first heard Martin Haugh's account of how WT HQ directed them to toss out not just old light literature, but also how they directed his Elder's to buy a large shredder and start destroying evidence dealing with cases that JC's had handled thru the years. (Sarah Brooks case, etc, etc in those PA congregations) This is some wicked, evil, shit! As if you needed even MORE evidence of this being a man-made CULT with ZERO Holy Spirit involved, I give you - All of THIS shit! SMFH. How do these clowns sleep at night? Oh that's right, I forgot. Behind an entire slimy legal dept on a lakeshore compound bought and paid for by the donations of others.