Skorpion, yeah they said all that stuff before 1975 I was there as well. But, I didn't live my life on the basis of what they were saying and neither did most other Witnesses. Some were critical, so what? So I got education, home, kids, life, etc. There has to be a certain amount of personal responsibility in this stuff rather than trying to lay the blame off on the Organization. Yes, they do have a certain responsibility but in the end we live our lives as we see fit it's too easy to go slopey shouldered.
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1975 ???
by Scorpion inthe end of 6000 years is 1873. wt 7/15/1894 p.1675.
"in what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of god's rest day come to an end?
the year 1975.
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Is it Biblical to Shun??
by charlie ini'm not a witness, but i know one very well and we have had many discussions on various topics.
we would both like to know, however, if it is biblical to shun the disfellowshipped/disassociated?
where in the bible does the society base the practice of shunning or groveling back for a long period of time if a person is sorry and wants to return to the church?
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Xandit
If it were just the Wt view on this matter then there might be some point to disagreeing with what seems to be pretty clear in the scriptures, however, it's not just the Wt. Every reputable authority that I know of holds pretty similar views, enough certainly to establish the basic principles. Some clearly do not want to accept that, so be it. I think we've beaten this one about to death so lets move on.
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Is it Biblical to Shun??
by charlie ini'm not a witness, but i know one very well and we have had many discussions on various topics.
we would both like to know, however, if it is biblical to shun the disfellowshipped/disassociated?
where in the bible does the society base the practice of shunning or groveling back for a long period of time if a person is sorry and wants to return to the church?
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If Jesus instructions were so squishy as to be meaningless, why did he use those particular expressions? Why not say, throw them out of the congregation and then treat them as you wish?
Edited by - Xandit on 21 January 2001 22:40:16
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Is it Biblical to Shun??
by charlie ini'm not a witness, but i know one very well and we have had many discussions on various topics.
we would both like to know, however, if it is biblical to shun the disfellowshipped/disassociated?
where in the bible does the society base the practice of shunning or groveling back for a long period of time if a person is sorry and wants to return to the church?
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waiting you're terminology is rather perjorative. Clearly Jesus was saying that unrepentant, continuing sinners should be expelled from the congregation and that contact should restricted to only that which was absolutely necessary. Racism, bigotry and hatred don't enter into it, it's a matter of actions not attitudes.
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Is it Biblical to Shun??
by charlie ini'm not a witness, but i know one very well and we have had many discussions on various topics.
we would both like to know, however, if it is biblical to shun the disfellowshipped/disassociated?
where in the bible does the society base the practice of shunning or groveling back for a long period of time if a person is sorry and wants to return to the church?
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waiting, you're missing the point. Consider his audience, what did his statement mean to them? If the way they treated tax collectors had no particular meaning then there would have been no point to using that particular expression. Beacon's comment is disingenuous and frankly self-serving. I suggest you read someone like Edersheim on how Jews treated tax collectors, harlots and pagans (people of the nations.)
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Is it Biblical to Shun??
by charlie ini'm not a witness, but i know one very well and we have had many discussions on various topics.
we would both like to know, however, if it is biblical to shun the disfellowshipped/disassociated?
where in the bible does the society base the practice of shunning or groveling back for a long period of time if a person is sorry and wants to return to the church?
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Xandit
In Matthew 18 when Jesus addressed his Jewish audience and said treat them like Gentiles and tax collectors that would have been very clear to his listeners. They were very familiar with first century practice in dealing with those groups. Essentially that meant they didn't have anything to do with them. You might not like it, but that's the way it was.
I believe there is much wrong with the judicial process but clearly there is a scriptural basis for putting people out of the congregation is they continue a sinful course. Once they are out, then Jesus set the standard for how they should be treated. You might check a few commentaries and see what they say. You'll find pretty general agreeement.
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Platlets...can WTBTS policy be defended?
by joel inif this topic has been addressed already...sorry...just ignore it.... if not...i would like to hear from those who would defend this policy....or who see the inconsistencies in the views on blood but the wtbts.. .
the following is something i read on at another site.
there is no question that the watchtower's blood policy needlessly kills jw children.
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Just got a chance to read a couple of questions addressed to me. I'll have to dig the details out of my notes but I essentially remember that the point I mentioned was made by a Doctor giving a lecture at a medical conference in some major eastern city, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, something like that. He was the director of a transfusionless medical program in Portland, Oregon I believe. He was speaking specifically about surgical patients. I've got the names somewhere if I can just find them. The information was not in the Watchtower and I did confirm from another source that I heard what I thought I heard. Sorry I didn't get back on this sooner.
Edited by - Xandit on 16 January 2001 23:22:25
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Of Tacking and New Light
by Gozz inthe subject of 'new light' holds some fascination for me.
and i have sought a wide spectrum of views to really understand the concept.
proverbs (4:18, i think) says the path of the righteous on gets lighter and lighter; pastor russel (or some very old literature)reaffirmed this inspired thought by stating that 'new light' never contradicts 'old light', only that it makes things clearer.
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Xandit
Actually tacking doesn't have much to do with "changing" winds. It has to do with a wind that is not blowing in a favorable direction.
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Platlets...can WTBTS policy be defended?
by joel inif this topic has been addressed already...sorry...just ignore it.... if not...i would like to hear from those who would defend this policy....or who see the inconsistencies in the views on blood but the wtbts.. .
the following is something i read on at another site.
there is no question that the watchtower's blood policy needlessly kills jw children.
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I know this is an emotive subject, and certainly there are inconsistencies in the Organization's policies. One thing I have found interesting, and this is from non-JW sources, is that statistically speaking there is no difference in mortality and morbidity for JW patients and for patients from the general population. The only difference when you look at the overall picture is that Witnesses get out of the hospital 24 hours earlier.
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Edited by - Xandit on 16 January 2001 23:23:19
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No longer associated with this group
by yeldell2 ini had no idea you were ex-witnesses when i registered here.
continue to send me e-mail anyone from this group.
steps to contact the administrator of this site, with this information.
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Xandit
Well, I'm glad we've all had this little chat. Makes me want to go out and rip someone's lungs out. )