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  I would rather be in the JW cult than the ex-jw cult

  by questioningmyfaith in

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  i have posted one other time on this website.

  just for the mere fact that i wasn't anger and bitter and ready to declare the gb the sociopathic criminals that so many here ascribe to, my initial question digressed to bickering over ad hominem attacks against the gb and not my beliefs that i'm questioning.

  some did give me some help on my questions.

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  "M" is for "Memorial"

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  many weeks ago, i apparently put "m" on today's date- wednesday, march 23rd, in my google calendar.

  it was supposed to remind me that the memorial that jehovah's witnesses observe would be held today.

  i was flipping through my calendar this past weekend and asked my wife "what in the world is 'm' for (that day)?

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  I didn't have a clue when the M was until the other day when someone at work that had a Friday deadline said the company was closed that day. I asked why we would be closed and they said, 'well duh! Easter weekend. It's Good Friday'. That's when I realized it must also be M week, and went back and looked at the invite that a family member left at the house.
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  The Kindness of an Atheist

  by undercover in

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  a song lyric i heard the other day, paraphrased:.

  nothing is as good as the kindness from an atheistan act of selflessness that never has to be repaid.

  interesting thought.

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  A song lyric I heard the other day, paraphrased:

  Nothing is as good as the kindness from an atheist
  An act of selflessness that never has to be repaid

  Interesting thought. The kindness of an atheist could be construed as superior to the kindness of so-called Christians. Think about it, Christians in general talk about being kind and loving their neighbor because this is godly or Jesus said to, etc. But for a non-believer, one who is not influenced to do good for God's sake, their kindness truly comes from them. No repercussions for not being kind, but no promised reward either.

  I'm sure there are exceptions in specific instances, but it makes one ponder, does it not?
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  Pshycos! - 2016 "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" Regional Convention Program

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  wow this is interesting!

  i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.

  they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.

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  • Loyally Uphold Jehovah's Judgements – Shun Unreptentant Wrongdoers

  • Loyally Uphold Jehovah's Judgements – Be Forgiving

  
  

  
  

  The irony is strong with these ones.
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  Advice help

  by Undercoverbrother in

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  but i have been undercover for about 3 years.

  recently i stopped going and faded(close to a year without stepping into the hall) .

  an old flame of mine (who is active witness) came back into the picture.

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  welcome fellow undercover guy. I too was 'undercover' as I faded, but over time as I realized that the WTS had no real power over me, I quit fearing what elders, or even the odd JW said or did. The only authority they have is what you allow them to have.

  You indicated that you're out, not attending meetings, etc, yet you're worried about elders coming a-knocking. Are you worried about your friends KH reputation should she be found out, or more worried about your getting found out?

  Like everyone's already said, no two witnesses, no confession, nothing they can do. Deny deny deny. Or better yet, tell them to mind their own business, should they ask you questions. You're out, you owe them nothing.
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  Interesting article about the evidence of the Jewish Exodus

  by cappytan in

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  the reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the jews were ever enslaved in egypt.

  yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source.

  i'm talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources.

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  There is evidence of Jericho falling as well as surrounding cities however hundreds of years earlier than the supposed time of the Exodus.

  An interesting tidbit about Jericho I learned just recently...

  It predates the date of Noah's flood, and - the date of Adam's creation.

  Amazing how a city existed before mankind existed {insert rolleyes emoticon here}
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  Government turning on religion - or - I how I learned to stop worrying and love Drumpf

  by undercover in

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  where, exactly, does the bible say that government(s) will turn on religion?

  i mean, other than interpreting some crazy visions/dreams from revelation as such?.

  with one megalomaniac leading the gop race for nomination to vie for president of the usa, i've noticed that paranoia has ratcheted up a notch or three.

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  To address the 'Trump is catering to evangelicals' thoughts -

  Yes, he is, and to racists, and misogynists, and the uneducated, and so and so forth. While he claims to be Christian, and caters to Bible thumpers, what has spooked some JWs I know is his comments on Muslims. If he's willing to persecute an entire Islamic group, what's to stop him from turning on other religions he doesn't like. Yes, I know, illogical, and unfounded on anything tangible. But we're dealing with people who enjoy a good persecution complex, and actually believe the world is out to get them (never realizing that most people don't give a flying fig about em). I'm curious if anyone else has witnessed (excuse that word) JW family expressing similar paranoia.

  Talesin: re voter apathy. Having been raised a JW, and never paying attention to politics or voting as a JW, even when out, I find myself detached from the whole spectacle. I wish I were a little more civic minded, but I'm just too cynical and skeptical. I find myself agreeing with George Carlin when it comes to voting. We really don't have a choice. The government was bought and paid for a long time ago, and we're just fooling ourselves if we think we have a real choice. It's just an illusion of choice. And in today's world, American politics has become a reality TV show, and a TV reality star is writing the book on how to win at it.
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  Government turning on religion - or - I how I learned to stop worrying and love Drumpf

  by undercover in

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  where, exactly, does the bible say that government(s) will turn on religion?

  i mean, other than interpreting some crazy visions/dreams from revelation as such?.

  with one megalomaniac leading the gop race for nomination to vie for president of the usa, i've noticed that paranoia has ratcheted up a notch or three.

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  *8 billion people. Tried to edit, but it wouldn't take
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  Government turning on religion - or - I how I learned to stop worrying and love Drumpf

  by undercover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  where, exactly, does the bible say that government(s) will turn on religion?

  i mean, other than interpreting some crazy visions/dreams from revelation as such?.

  with one megalomaniac leading the gop race for nomination to vie for president of the usa, i've noticed that paranoia has ratcheted up a notch or three.

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  Where, exactly, does the Bible say that government(s) will turn on religion? I mean, other than interpreting some crazy visions/dreams from Revelation as such?

  With one megalomaniac leading the GOP race for nomination to vie for President of the USA, I've noticed that paranoia has ratcheted up a notch or three. And not just among liberals and Democrats - but also among some JWs.

  I've heard more than once, something like this, 'if he wins, this may be the start of government turning on religion' or similar. I've heard all the Hitler comparisons, and yea, he's scary to a degree, but Hitler, not hardly. So if the WT god didn't come to the rescue his 'true worshipers' in WWII, why would the prospect of a TV reality star getting headlines give them cause to think that now he might act? Sure, I hate reality TV as much as the next fellow, but not enough to destroy 8 million people.

  But, OTOH, when the election is over, and someone else is in office, we can sit back and chuckle as the Armageddon is once again put back on hold, and dubs can go back to worrying about their field service hours, and where to stop for break...
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  Fading is never 100% successful is it?

  by nicolaou in

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  mum phoned last night to see how we all are.

  after fifteen years away from meetings and my old jw life you'd think my fade could be called 'successful' and for the most part it is.

  .. my resentment at being lied to and having wasted over thirty years of my life has left me like a glass of water full to the brim, it only takes a tap to make a mess.

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  I don't think you're 100% out of it, even if you DFd or DAd...if you have family still involved.

  I'm faded, and have experiences similar to yours from time to time. I have siblings who are DFd, and they from time to time get dragged into arguments and confrontations.

  I have a DFd friend, who has cut off all ties with anything related to JW, but yet still has family active in the faith, and on occasion has to endure their meddling (however well intentioned on their part it may be).

  I think this is true of anyone who has left a controlling atmosphere, be it religious, secular, or parental. You know what you know, you've put it behind you, yet from time to time you are reminded of the past, and have to deal with it in the present.