Again, just like referring me to JWfacts, I don't see the point in showing me WTS quotes. I am not a JW nor ever was, so I don't care what they think is important or not. The only 'blunder' I see in the spelling of the name is using a V. It should be spelled JEHOAH.
johnamos
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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johnamos
quote - If Jesus did use God's name when speaking to his followers (one version is Jehovah), I am surprised that those recording his words did not put that very important info in their writings - end quote
blondie,
Do you personally think that when Jesus and his apostles did quote from the Hebrew Scriptures that they would have said the name?
If you do not believe they used the name, then can you tell me what reason they would have had to refrain from using it?
If you believe they did use the name, can you say for certain that the DN was not written at all in the originals?
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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quote - A Christian has to accept and honor both the Father and his Son, Jesus Christ, equally within the new Christian concept. - end quote
“This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent”
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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johnamos
Quote - Your inferring they must have used Gods personal name because they quoted an OT scripture is just interpretation on your part – End quote
smiddy, I don’t know if you saw what I said to blondie but here it is again:
[just as you can tell me that I can't say for certain that the originals and those that followed up until the oldest now on hand did have the DN there, I can tell you that you can't say for certain that it was not there.]
So you are saying that my inferring that God’s personal name was used when they quoted from the OT is just interpretation on my part. Okay, so can you say for certain that the DN was not written at all in the originals? If you say it was not written, then is that speculation on your part as well?
Quote -. We have the words of Jesus written down, as we do with the Apostles and the Disciples and not one of them is recorded as uttering the personal name of God as Jehovah. - End quote
Again, you are saying based on the copies on hand that the name is not recorded as being said but can you say for certain that the DN was not written at all in the originals?
When you say we have the words of Jesus written down that would included his words saying:
"The works I do in my Father’s name"
“I’ve made your name known to them and will continue to make it known"
“I have revealed your name to the people you gave me from this world.”
“This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent”
Based on that, do you find it reasonable that when Jesus and his apostles did quote from the Hebrew Scriptures that they would have said the name?
If you do not believe they used the name, then can you tell me what reason they would have had to refrain from using it?
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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Atlantis,
Why would you think that?
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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johnamos
quote - Muslims believe that Jesus was a real person that lived, does that make them 'Christians' - end quote
You have it backwards, believing that Jesus was a real person does not make you a Christian, but identifying yourself as an Christian is saying that you believe/follow Jesus.
JW's/WTS state that they are Christian:
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-christians/
Anyway, that is all I will say about this. That's not what this thread is about but I will end by agreeing with you 100% on what you said here:
quote - One prime example is at the door, they ask you to examine your religion while they will run for the hills if you ask them the same of their own so called 'religion'. - end quote
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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caria,
I am suggesting in general that anyone/everyone that claims to be an Christian is identifying themselves as believers/followers of Jesus, this would include JW's. The fact that no one you know or people in general don't think JW's are 'Christians' in the traditional sense doesn't change the fact that JW's do regard themselves as Christians and they are so, in as much as any other so-called Christian religion claim to be.
As for what you say about JW's relaying on the GB for salvation, that is true but that doesn't nullify their belief in Jesus. JW's are in the same position today as the Jews were when Jesus said: 7 You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said:+ 8 ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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quote - Are you sure you want to use E-Watchman as your source - end quote
In this case YES. I do not agree with all that Robert believes but on that topic I share the same understanding, so I posted the link to his site being that he has already written out what I would have said in support of why I believe the DN was in the original Greek Scriptures, etc.
As far as the WTS using Jehovah vs. Yahweh, that's not relevant to this thread. I am not a defender of the WTS, I was simply replying to smiddy's topic. I happen to believe thou that Jehovah is the more correct way...or should I say Jehoah is as I have pointed out here before.
As far as adding/taking away, is it really adding if you are restoring? The name is found there in the Hebrew Scriptures that are quoted in the Greek Scriptures.
quote - where Jesus used the name Jehovah or equivalent outside of the scriptures he quoted - end quote
Based on the copies on hand...NO, I can not say for certain where. But according to Jesus he said: 'the works he did were in his Father’s name', etc...so I would think that it is not unreasonable that he used it despite there not currently being written record of the usage.
Can you say for certain that the DN was not written at all in the originals?
Do you find it reasonable that when he did quote from the Hebrew Scriptures that he would have said the name?
quote - It's too bad that the God of the Bible is not powerful enough to protect His Word sufficiently...Jehovah is my strength and my defense; he has become my Yeshua. - end quote
There is a reason why an angel came to Mary and told her what she was to name her son. The name she was told to name him was the Hebrew name: Yehoshua.
What is Yehoshua said to mean?
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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johnamos
Matt 4:4,7, 10 to start with and other places where he quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures.
I know the argument that the oldest Greek copies on hand do not have the DN written in those places, but just as you can tell me that I can't say for certain that the originals and those that followed up until the oldest now on hand did have the DN there, I can tell you that you can't say for certain that it was not there.
But I can add reasoning to support that it was there, whereas those that argue it wasn't there cannot support their argument that it was not.
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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS
by smiddy3 ini think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.
where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...
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johnamos
I did not ignore or am I missing any point. The topic is to cite a Scripture in the Greek Scriptures where there is a charge for Christian's to witness for Jehovah.
The mere fact that anyone would identify themselves as an Christian is in itself already being a witness for Jesus being that an Christian is known to be an 'follower of Jesus Christ.'
If one were to truly follow him, that would mean to also do works in the name of whom Jesus said was his father and thereby also making that name known.