Posts by Rattigan350

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Question for JW's: Is Jesus the Mediator of Your Prayers ?

by Sea Breeze in

praying to god “through the son jesus” has nothing to do with christ as mediator.. do jw's even know what a mediator does?.

i am in the insurance restoration construction business and have been in mediation many times when a policy holder sues an insurance company for not paying everything they believe is due them under the terms of their policy for property damage.. i am brought in as a technical expert.. in mediation, the plaintiff (policy holder) and the defendant (insurance company) are placed in separate rooms, they do not talk to each other.

they are separated because the dispute has alienated the one from the other.

Rattigan350

Sea Breeze - LISTEN

PRAYERS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT. NOTHING TO DO WITH COVENANTS.

I'll explain this to you.

Rev 5:8 specifically says "The incense means the prayers of the holy ones"

There was Moses. He was the mediator of the Law, or old covenant with Israel. The covenant mediator did not offer incense or sacrifices.

There was Aaron. He was the high priest. The priest offered incense and sacrifices, not the covenant mediator.

There was/is Jesus. He was the mediator of the new covenant with spiritual Israel.

There was/is Jesus. He was the high priest that offered sacrifices and is the one that descrambles our prayers to his Father, Jehovah God. Our prayers are like scrambled TV signals that need a descrambler to view them. That is why Jesus said 'I am the way, truth and life, no one comes to the Father except through me'

Praying in Jesus' name descrambles our prayers so God can accept them.

So you see, Jesus does both jobs. That of Moses and of Aaron, but they are two separate things. You are mixing them when they shouldn't be mixed just because he does them both.

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Question for JW's: Is Jesus the Mediator of Your Prayers ?

by Sea Breeze in

praying to god “through the son jesus” has nothing to do with christ as mediator.. do jw's even know what a mediator does?.

i am in the insurance restoration construction business and have been in mediation many times when a policy holder sues an insurance company for not paying everything they believe is due them under the terms of their policy for property damage.. i am brought in as a technical expert.. in mediation, the plaintiff (policy holder) and the defendant (insurance company) are placed in separate rooms, they do not talk to each other.

they are separated because the dispute has alienated the one from the other.

Rattigan350

Beth Sarim said "John 6: 53 clearly says if you dont eat the bread or drink the wine,,, you have no life in you."

And that only applied to the ones to whom he spoke. Why do people keep expanding and applying what Jesus and the apostles said beyond their audiences?

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Question for JW's: Is Jesus the Mediator of Your Prayers ?

by Sea Breeze in

praying to god “through the son jesus” has nothing to do with christ as mediator.. do jw's even know what a mediator does?.

i am in the insurance restoration construction business and have been in mediation many times when a policy holder sues an insurance company for not paying everything they believe is due them under the terms of their policy for property damage.. i am brought in as a technical expert.. in mediation, the plaintiff (policy holder) and the defendant (insurance company) are placed in separate rooms, they do not talk to each other.

they are separated because the dispute has alienated the one from the other.

Rattigan350

Jesus is the priest. Priests offered incense. Prayers are likened to incense offered. Thus Jesus is the priest that offers prayers or mediates prayers for us.

So Seabreeze, rethink your objections. This has nothing to do with the new covenant.

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New Light!

by blondie in

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friends

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Rattigan350

Since there is no such thing as a Watchtower prediction or promise...

The only problem with the doctrines are in the past, during the Rutherford, Knorr and Franz days, they wanted to be better and more righteous than everyone else. That is why they made no birthdays into a religious issue. That is why they were pharisaical on many issues without any direct Bible prohibitions such as no-blood. They say we go out in the door to door work because that is what Jesus did. Well, Jesus had no other alternative.

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Did the WT Policy on Lying Bother You When You Were a JW?

by Sea Breeze in

here's the wt standard for lying: "while malicious lying is definitely condemned in the bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it" - insight pp.

244-245. vs. websters dictionary:.

lie, noun.

Rattigan350

And the problem with this is what?

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Jephthah's Daughter

by cantleave in

i have read somewhere that jephthah's daughter did not really go into temple service but was a victim of ritual sacrifice.

the bible says that after weeping over her virginity that the maidens would visit her annually.

how could they visit her if she was killed?.

Rattigan350

Peacefulpete, You took those out of context

"A human sacrifice for good of a community thru appeasement of a god? (John 18:14 "...it would be good if one man died for the people.""

Caiaphas said that as a justification to kill Jesus.

"How about a god sending his people to war where many are killed? (Judges 20)"

Those are not human sacrifices. That is just how war works. The enemy gets killed.

"Are they not human sacrifices to please a god?"

Not by God's people.

"Or the burning alive members of the tribe that behave in unapproved manner?"

Only by dragon riders.

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Jephthah's Daughter

by cantleave in

i have read somewhere that jephthah's daughter did not really go into temple service but was a victim of ritual sacrifice.

the bible says that after weeping over her virginity that the maidens would visit her annually.

how could they visit her if she was killed?.

Rattigan350

"Is Jehovah ridiculous for asking Abraham to burn Issac? And is Abraham ridiculous for trying to do it?"

Why would people question Abraham's ATTEMPT at sacrificing Isaac when it was not meant to go through to completion. It was a test of faith.

Gen 22:2 "Take, please, your son, your only son whom you so love, Isaac, and travel to the land of Mo·riʹah and offer him up there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains that I will designate to you.”"

vs 8 "To this Abraham said: “God himself will provide the sheep for the burnt offering, my son"

vs 10 "Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to kill his son."

vs 11 "But Jehovah’s angel called to him from the heavens and said: “Abraham, Abraham!” to which he answered: “Here I am!”   Then he said: “Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me"

See. It was a test and Abraham passed it and it was never meant to hurt him.

Jephthah was the one that made the vow. He would not kill and burn another human from his household. So Jehovah would not want him to kill and sacrifice another human.

The problem is that people read the words in the Bible, though badly written and reading not from the writer's perspective, in a vacuum and take it without considering other texts.

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JULY 2025 STUDY WT How to Give Advice

by blondie in

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i scanned this article and i saw a theme throughout it.

when info like this shows up in the study wt, you can be sure the elders are doing it wrong and the wts hits directly on what it is.

older elders do it wrong and train by word and action the newer elders to do it wrong.

Rattigan350

NotFormer, The only law is Gen 9:4 "Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat"

Unfortunately people like to look to Acts 15:20,29 and not realize that the word "abstain" applied to all 4 of the prohibitions. It did not mean that the ban on eating and drinking blood was expanded in scope. The apostles even with the holy spirit, didn't have that authority. Their objective there was not to make new laws and rules. It was to state what the law was.

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Jephthah's Daughter

by cantleave in

i have read somewhere that jephthah's daughter did not really go into temple service but was a victim of ritual sacrifice.

the bible says that after weeping over her virginity that the maidens would visit her annually.

how could they visit her if she was killed?.

Rattigan350

There is no Watchtower Whitewashing.

"The text explicitly says that the vow was to offer her as a burnt offering and that Jephthah carried out his vow."

But it obviously does not mean that he killed her and burned her.

He meant that he would offer her to tabernacle service and that would be as a burnt offering that he would give.

NLT says "I will give to the LORD whatever comes out of my house to meet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”"

As a burnt offering means in place of. How could he give the person to the lord if it was dead?

ASV says " it shall be Jehovah’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt-offering." The person becomes Jehovah's and is in place of the burnt offering.

It is ridiculous that people would think that he would burn her.

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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025

by raymond frantz in

the following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.

each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.

we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.

Rattigan350

@Seabreeze "You do realize that Watchtower has indoctrinated you don't you? There are lots of dead people are in heaven. I'm going there when I die."

No, the Watchtower has no indoctrinated me. No one had one that to me.

I understand how things work.

There are no dead in heaven. There are humans who have died and then were raised as spirit beings who are now alive in heaven serving with Jesus. But you won't be one of them.

What Paul wrote in 2 Cor 5 is not factual. It is just an example of his appeasing his readers with flowery language that made them feel good. Heaven is not home for anyone. It is not home, it is the office. It is where people work, to do a job. While he and his audience of Corinthians will be raised to heaven, you can't assume that you are part of that audience. Remember that Paul didn't know that the number going to heaven would be capped at 144,000.

Also what was said in Rev 6 was in signs and symbols. It's not real.