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  What biblical support is there for the belief that a creative day is 7000 years long?

  by JWB in

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  what biblical support is there for the belief that a creative day is 7000 years long?.

  as most folks here are probably well aware, the wts teaches that humankind has lived for about 6,000 years and that there will be a 1,000 year reign of christ to restore humans to perfection.

  they teach that the end of 'this old system' must be coming very soon since everything must fit into a 7000 year 'creative day'.

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  TheOldHippie

  " So, the WTS has basically derived its creative day doctrine from "Christendom", leading all the way back to some of the so-called Church Fathers. "

  Technically not the Church fathers, but the Apostolic fathers, as we are talking of the period around year 80-150, the ones who had known the apostles themselves; the Church fathers belong to the next century(ies). I happen to be reading the apostolic fathers and also early church history just now. The belief has, as others have stated, been abandoned, and especially so after the new and revised edition of "All Scriptures inspired" was published, where it states about Genesis that it refers to the time period starting "in the beginning" in stead of the "47025 BC" or whatever was stated. More nebulous today, yes, but "millions of years" for each day is used.
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  I wish there were more JW's resisting the extreme elements within the religion

  by Hermano in

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  i wish there were more jw's resisting the extreme elements within the religion.

  i beleive there are many who know some of the things they hear and read are whack, but stay because they think it's still the group god has chosen.

  but there are ways to voice your opinion without being too vocal or disassociating:.

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  TheOldHippie

  Change only has come about as a result from pressure or awareness from outside, not from inside. Very few of the 1914-generation remained, but no change came about. Then this magazine, what was it called - US News & World Report or something like that - had an article about the dwindling generation and what "the other Franz" said etc., and it was not too long till the generation change. Lots of people must have known about the NGO thing (which I do not believe is much of a "thing" at all), but as soon as the British newspaper wrote about it, connection was broken within a couple of weeks.

  Not much is written in the literature about blood these days, not much about the King of the North, not much about the conventions of the 1920s and their correspondence to the plagues, not much about any controversial matters really, so is there change? Change in the sense of spesific prophecies and similar items not being mentioned much - yes; change in the other basics - not until the outside world writes about it.

  I feel as I have always felt, that it is up to the individual. Some things are a bit "extreme" to me, and I think - "oh well, it is or must be a typical American thing, it is not like that in Europe or Africa, doesn't fit here" - and I survive and live well at that.
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  Is the new brochure cover a ripoff of a Lord of the Rings book cover?

  by fugue in

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  this was actually first spotted by a good dub over on jw talk.

  i find it amusing, to say the least.. .

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  TheOldHippie

  "I don't recognise it and don't see it on jw.org"

  I won't be put there till all conventions are held.
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  Does the Watchtower still print the "Kingdom Interlinear Translation" book?

  by Resistance is Futile in

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  it was last updated in 1985. does the watchtower still print it?

  could a jw place an order for one at the kingdom hall?.

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  TheOldHippie

  Well, I did not receive it "lasy tear", but "last year", and the "sp" is better understood as "so" ..................
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  Does the Watchtower still print the "Kingdom Interlinear Translation" book?

  by Resistance is Futile in

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  it was last updated in 1985. does the watchtower still print it?

  could a jw place an order for one at the kingdom hall?.

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  TheOldHippie

  There was also a 1969 print og 700,000, in purple.

  I received a copy lasy tear, sp it is still very much around.
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  Is the new brochure cover a ripoff of a Lord of the Rings book cover?

  by fugue in

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  this was actually first spotted by a good dub over on jw talk.

  i find it amusing, to say the least.. .

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  TheOldHippie

  "well they have plagerized a cover or two. I think I remember one in the live forever book."

  If it is the "bathing beauty" you are thinking of, that is no plagarization, but a picture bought from a photo stock, and the German magazine bought it from the same stock.
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  Today's wt study article quotes a Nazi mass murderer as a reference

  by fugue in

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  today's study article, "do not look at the things behind," from the 3/15/12 study edition, which was reviewed by blondie in her thread, has a footnote on paragraph 12.. the original-language word here translated refuse.

  also meant what is thrown to the dogs,.

  dung, excrement.

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  TheOldHippie

  I saw the Lakeside Church of Christ uses the same reference, http://lakesidechurchofchrist.com/lakesidecoc/article.php?story=20070906201832863&query=amos

  So I guess you will have to write them and tell them to stop using any reference to Kittel?
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  Psychology - Articles: Mental health of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  i'm curious.

  for the benefit of all, perhaps some who were psychology students in college and are posters on jwn (and anybody else for that matter) would like to comment on the somewhat controversial material i've posted here which was sent to my face book page.the short article below in english was originally in italian and is google translated.

  in this recent article, the italian psychology student who wrote it points to an "... old article by john spencer (psychiatrist) published in the '75 british journal of psychiatry , titled '"the mental health of jehovah's witnesses,"' which, the author said, "speaks for itself.

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  TheOldHippie

  Faulty translation:

  "The witnesses will be accused of psychotic spiritualism?"

  This does not mean anything. It should be: "A psychotic witness accused of spiritualism (or possession)?"

  And then he goes on to say that this has happened many times. (With which I agree).
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  Psychology - Articles: Mental health of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  i'm curious.

  for the benefit of all, perhaps some who were psychology students in college and are posters on jwn (and anybody else for that matter) would like to comment on the somewhat controversial material i've posted here which was sent to my face book page.the short article below in english was originally in italian and is google translated.

  in this recent article, the italian psychology student who wrote it points to an "... old article by john spencer (psychiatrist) published in the '75 british journal of psychiatry , titled '"the mental health of jehovah's witnesses,"' which, the author said, "speaks for itself.

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  TheOldHippie

  The author of the original article is not particularly neutral from the start off, is he - he is not exactly on Jung's side, it seems he is more is a firm supporter of the Marxist view of religion as opium for the people. But that put aside, and the findings are as they are - just a question: I remember a discussion of this article around 1980, and there were some psychiatrists - among whom a priest (!) - that critizised the study and stated it was poor from a methodology point of view. That it was flawed. I do not remember the particulars, but remember there were some discussions about it. And it was also stated that the JWs in Western Australia were not respresentable of Australian JWs as a whole, because the young male JWs refusing military service were sent to isolated outposts or prisons in Western Australia and so suffered isolation for a longer period, resulting in mental problems. I repeat I am not trying to say the results tell something dofferent from what they do - but it sould have been interesting to see the tabulations or figures broken down by age and sex, and if the younger male group was predominant, the isolation because of imprisonment would be a contributing factor. That point of view, as I recall, was the major point of critisim against the study.

  Such a long time has elapsed sice the 70s that it probably is far-fetched to believe anyone else has a slight recollection of this, but there might be an oldtimer or two remembering it ................
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  Baptisms decreased critical 26.9% in Mexico

  by Gayle in

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  for 2011, jws in mexico had the lowest baptism number in years, a critical 26.9% decrease from 2010. something is going there!?.

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  TheOldHippie

  "I have always been skeptical about the WTS numbers outside of the U.S."

  Yeah - the US is the only trustworthy nation on Earth .................................