Posts by Halcon

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What is really Babylon the great?

by Halcon in

for believers of god and christ, it seems that it should be obvious that babylon the great of revelation should be all religions and spiritual practices associated with the one true enemy of christ...the devil, satan, the snake etc.

essentially any group or individual practicing and promoting witchcraft, sorcery, devil worshipping etc.

all things practiced in ancient babylon (the nation presumably used as the model for the one in revelation).. or is this too simple of an explanation?.

Halcon

In Charles Taze Russell's time he said the "papal system is Babylon the Great.

One Christian religion or church pointing to another Christian religion doesn't make much sense. Not when you have blatant non-Christian religions out there.

Babulylon the Great as the book of Revelation says is an end time capital of the New World Order. As Babylon of old that was deeply religious so it will be the Babylon the Great. Think of it as Rome the city controlling all kings of Europe in the Middle Ages.

Deeply religious yes, but which religion? It can't be a Christian church (it has to be an antichristian religion). Not to say that demonic practices are not uncommon amongst even members of Christian churches. I knew people who did tarot 'for fun' in the episcopal church I visited. There are catholics that do yoga. But this is why God says to Christians 'get out of her if you don't want share her fate' referring to Babylon the great and her spiritual practices. Meaning, Babylon the great is not a Christian church.

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What is really Babylon the great?

by Halcon in

for believers of god and christ, it seems that it should be obvious that babylon the great of revelation should be all religions and spiritual practices associated with the one true enemy of christ...the devil, satan, the snake etc.

essentially any group or individual practicing and promoting witchcraft, sorcery, devil worshipping etc.

all things practiced in ancient babylon (the nation presumably used as the model for the one in revelation).. or is this too simple of an explanation?.

Halcon

Tonus-it is a range of practices, can those be identified? This is important if the description is accurate and true, since it means that there is an organization/religion (or many of them) that is working in direct opposition to God himself and which God advises his followers to flee from. Without knowing who it is, how many might be following the wrong religion and dooming themselves to an eternity of suffering?

These are important questions for a Christian for sure. This is why I don't think the practices I mentioned regarding demon worship and witchcraft are a small thing. And they would clearly point to the spirituality that us in direct opposition to Christianity.

I mentioned earlier the work of Augustine, City of God, in which he condemned these practices extensively..meaning he spent a great part of the book referring to these practices (overt and those not so overt) in comparison to the correct way of worshipping God.

Augustine went to the 'core' of the matter..the fact that it's a spiritual battle first and foremost. Any religion practicing sorcery and witchcraft would clearly be in the camp of Babylon the great.

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What is really Babylon the great?

by Halcon in

for believers of god and christ, it seems that it should be obvious that babylon the great of revelation should be all religions and spiritual practices associated with the one true enemy of christ...the devil, satan, the snake etc.

essentially any group or individual practicing and promoting witchcraft, sorcery, devil worshipping etc.

all things practiced in ancient babylon (the nation presumably used as the model for the one in revelation).. or is this too simple of an explanation?.

Halcon

Very interesting points.

You asked whether Babylon is simply all forms of sorcery, witchcraft, and devil worship. These are certainly aspects of what Babylon promotes—but reducing her to these fringe phenomena misses the deeper point. Babylon is not merely about occult practices; she is about systemic opposition to the Lamb.

Wouldn't this systemic opposition to the Lamb be as a direct result of absolute intervention of the devil and demons tho?

For example, didn't Augustine in his City of God when referring to the same Rome attribute its actions to the manipulation of demons? In other words, the Romans practiced devil and demon worship when worshiping their pagan gods which led directly to the opposition to the Lamb in its various forms as you described.

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What is really Babylon the great?

by Halcon in

for believers of god and christ, it seems that it should be obvious that babylon the great of revelation should be all religions and spiritual practices associated with the one true enemy of christ...the devil, satan, the snake etc.

essentially any group or individual practicing and promoting witchcraft, sorcery, devil worshipping etc.

all things practiced in ancient babylon (the nation presumably used as the model for the one in revelation).. or is this too simple of an explanation?.

Halcon

For believers of God and Christ, it seems that it should be obvious that Babylon the great of Revelation should be all religions and spiritual practices associated with the one true enemy of Christ...the devil, satan, the snake etc.

Essentially any group or individual practicing and promoting witchcraft, sorcery, devil worshipping etc. All things practiced in ancient Babylon (the nation presumably used as the model for the one in Revelation).

Or is this too simple of an explanation?

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

Aqwsed-Jesus clearly claimed He had the authority to lay down His life and to take it up again. In John 10:17-18, He said: “I lay down my life that I may take it up again… I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.” That is not a passive role—it’s an explicit declaration of divine power over life and death. Moreover, in John 2:19, Jesus says, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Verse 21 explains that “He was speaking of the temple of His body.” After the resurrection, John 2:22 says that His disciples remembered He had said this and believed.

Excellent verses, and excellent defense my friend.

I say the same to you Seabreeze. Excellent defense by means of the scriptures.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

If Jesus is not God, then he lied about raising himself from the dead.

Except, per the Trinity, Jesus didn't raise himself from the dead. God the Father (a separate person) raised Jesus from the dead.

Is this accurate (per the Trinity teaching)?

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The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

by Longlivetherenegades in

those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

1. father .

2. jesus .

Halcon

"Oh about a year after I was saved." You can imagine the immediate mayhem and laughter that broke out in the car thereafter.

LOL!

Indeed, man cannot be blamed for trying to understand God as much as possible.

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The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

by Longlivetherenegades in

those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

1. father .

2. jesus .

Halcon

Aqwsed- Therefore, the object of saving faith is not merely the idea of “God in general,” nor even “Jesus as Savior” in an undefined sense — but the real God as He has revealed Himself to us.

Incorrect. It was sufficient for the criminal at Jesus' side to know/believe that Jesus was undeserving of punishment to be saved.

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The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

by Longlivetherenegades in

those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

1. father .

2. jesus .

Halcon

MeanMrMustard-To all Christaians out there : why is it necessary to believe or reject the Trinity (depending on which camp you reside) in order to gain salvation? Either Jesus is God (fully) or he is a representative, or "son" ... or perhaps a mode. Whatever he is, as a Christian, God (in whatever nature he resides) has made provision through Jesus, right? Simply have sincere faith, repent, accept him (whatever he was), and that he rose on the third day.

Correct Mustard. There's no command in the scriptures stating we must embrace and defend the Trinity teaching or be condemned.

This is because God does not require man to fully understand His essence and being. In fact, scriptures confirm He made it impossible to do so.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

SB-The meaning of death is "separation", not non-existence. This is how Jesus could resurrect himself from the dead, while he was still dead.

To this you should add that God the Father (a separate person) resurrected God the Son. It clears up what you mean by "himself".