Posts by Duran

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

Duran

You say, “If one believes the Bible, then that one's beliefs should be from the Bible.” And yet your beliefs — sneering mockery, public gloating over a man’s death, vulgar language, and theological incoherence — come not from the Bible but from your own wounded pride and unresolved rage. Where in Scripture does it tell you to laugh at death, to curse those who mourn, to spit on the dignity of another human being?

I really don't understand how you can be as stupid as you are. There was no mockery and gloating from me over his death. You don't know anything about me, and you don't know how to comprehend what you read. I actually embrace death as I see it as the end of suffering. So, if anything, if I were to be saying something negative about your pope, I would have said that I am sorry he died, I wish he were still alive in the hospital suffering from pneumonia with death evading him.

But I never made my comment pertaining to him and his death as about that I am glad he is dead, or I want him to suffer. The name of this topic is 'the pope has died'. So, if any post on here it is going to be in regard to that topic. My comment came from the fact that all day long I could not have on a news channel without seeing coverage of his death and speaking about Catholics mourning his death.

Now I realize that you are a moron, and you cannot understand the fact, that when I hear that, it brings to thought that if they think he is in heaven now, then why mourn and do what they are going to do for 9 days. Why not say, 'wow how wonderful, he was just here in the hospital going through so much and here weak in the wheelchair, but now he is in heaven, actually with his Jesus God, wow so happy for him.'

The shirt comment mocks you living Catholics, not Jorge the person. Saying you are happy he died, should mean to a Catholic that he is no longer suffering in this world, but is now in heaven, happy, and with God. But from what I see on TV coverage is that his life came to an end and everyone is sad and mourning him as if he is not alive right now in heaven. I said nothing on a personal level about a person mourning the loss of someone. I am saying something about the fact that people are not acting in a way that goes along with what they claim to believe.

Why didn't Jorge say, 'when I die, don't mourn me, but rejoice that I am going to the Father. And don't waste time and money on a funeral, give any money that you would have used for that, give it to the needy. And just cremate my body and dump it in the ocean.'

No, but he didn't say that did he. Gee, I wonder what the angel that spoke to John is thinking right now while seeing what is going down here on earth for the next 9 days. Do you think that angel and Jorge are watching together? Do you think Jorge is watching with Karol seeing who has a bigger funeral?

If you were truly critical of the GB, you would have already switched to some scholarly translation instead of the NWT a long time ago, for example I recommended NRSVue to you a long time ago (not even is it not Catholic one), instead you use the NWT's falsifications to support your JW theological bias.

What nonsense! So, I can say that the GB are liars, they were not chosen by Jesus in 1919, everything they say about 607/1914 is false, but yet because I use the NWT to show their own false teachings, somehow that means that I am not really critical of them?

So according to you, I can say:

[The WTS says that Babylon was called to account in 539. Jehovah said he was going to call them to account when/after 70 years have been fulfilled/completed, therefore 539 must have been the 70th year, making 609 the beginning of those 70 years. So, the 70 years are 609-539 and not 607-537.]

But if I use the NWT in showing verse 11 and 12 then I don't mean what I said about the 70 years in proving the WTS wrong, only if I use the URSVue do I mean it?

[ 11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’12 “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.]

[NRSVue 11 This whole land shall become a ruin and a waste, and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. 12 Then after seventy years are completed, I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation, the land of the Chaldeans, for their iniquity, says the Lord, making the land an everlasting waste.]

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

Duran

You pretend you never asked us to “compare what Jehovah’s Witnesses show in the Bible.” But your whole line of thought is that comparison. You quote exclusively from the NWT, and all your comments are filled with links to the their website.
Your theology of death is a confused mess of contradiction and coldness. Let’s walk through your logic:
You claim it's “illogical” to mourn a man who went to heaven.
Yet you don’t believe he went to heaven.
And you think all religions (including Catholicism and JWs) are false.
But you still quote the Bible as your supposed authority.

LOL!!!!! What a F%*cking fool you are.

First off you dip shit, this site is for ex and current JWs that don't believe the GB. It is not for Catholics or their beliefs. Why are you even here?

That being the case, why would I not quote from their NWT and have links to quotes from their website? We here use the WTS's own words to show their LIES.

And how retarded can you be that you actually knowingly point out that I believe all religions are false and I quote the Bible as my authority and yet you don't understand that concept? Whoever does not believe in the Bible that is fine, I can understand that. But whoever does claim to believe it, it should be the sole authority of their beliefs. Their beliefs should not be based upon what a group of men in NY say or what a little ridiculous man in a white dress and a little white cap says.

If one believes the Bible, then that one's beliefs should be from the Bible.

[ 4 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.]

[ 11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.]

And YES, I do not believe he went to heaven, and I think it is foolish for people who think he did go to heaven, to mourn him.

My dad died 4 years ago. How foolish would it be if going back to that time when he was buried, and I was there at his grave the day of, on my knees crying and praying. Then behind me he walks up and touches me on the shoulder, and I look up at him and say 'oh even though you are here and alive, I have to turn and keep praying and mourning you for 9 days because you died and are buried right here in this grave, even though you have been resurrected and are alive now.'

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

Duran

Your statement is not only appallingly disrespectful and juvenile, it exposes the deep moral and theological bankruptcy of the ideology you subscribe to. You mock death, trivialize the dignity of the human person,

Of course, it is no surprise that you would be the one to show the example of the people I spoke about of how fast they would be offended at such a statement.

The mockery is not on the death of Jorge Bergoglio as a person; it is on those who claim that they believe when you die you go to heaven but then go on to mourn as though the person that died is gone forever.

But here’s the deeper irony: you don’t actually believe he’s in heaven. Your cult teaches that Pope Francis is part of “Babylon the Great,” the so-called “world empire of false religion.”

You are correct, I do not believe he is in heaven now. But again, it is not about me and what I believe when I spoke about the shirt. It is about what others claim to believe and then do not act in harmony with their own beliefs.

And YES, I believe that he is (or was, cause he's DEAD now) part of false religion, but I believe ALL religions are false, including JWs, so I don't know why you say, 'my cult', I am not now nor ever was a JW.

You ask us to “compare what Jehovah’s Witnesses show in the Bible”

When have I ever asked such a thing?

If this is the kind of “good news” you believe Jehovah’s Witnesses are called to spread — the celebration of death, and the mockery of human suffering — then I can confidently say your gospel is not that of Jesus Christ.

Again, you have no clue when you address me as if I speak as a JW. I speak based on what is written in the Bible, something you nor they do.

And always showing what a fool you are!

[ 9 Do not be quick to take offense, for the taking of offense lodges in the bosom of fools.]

Again, back to the point I was showing, if Catholics truly believed their beloved pope Jorge Bergoglio upon his death is in heaven now, then there would be no cause for suffering now and there would be cause for celebration.

[ 28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.]

If anyone has ever read the Bible, they would know that at present in regard to death, other than rejoicing over Jesus' return to heaven, that all others that have died, have the hope of being resurrected, even Jorge Bergoglio could be.

[13 Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death, so that you may not sorrow as the rest do who have no hope.]

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The Pope’s death will automatically trigger a nine-day mourning period known as the Novendiale and, during this time, daily prayers and requiem masses will be held in the Vatican as well as in the Catholic world.

If Catholics think Jorge went to the Father, should they be rejoicing now or mourning now?

rejoice - to feel joy or great delight

mourn - feel or show deep sorrow or regret for (someone or their death)

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Curious? How many members of this group feel we are living in the "End Times"?

by Balaamsass2 in

i like to take a peek at the kids over on reddit every week or so.. this thread caught my eye:" curious….

do any ex jw or pimo, still believe the world is ending.

i see people who have never been witnesses think that the world will end soon and they say things like “jesus is coming soon”….

Duran

I believe that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is what initiates the time of the end, and that is still future.

You don't know what you believe. You are a RK follower.

Jesus' so-called 'second coming' is after the 42-month GT of the 8th rule. Therefore, Jesus' coming does not imitate the 'time of the end', his 'second coming' concludes it, and begins the millennium rule.

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

Duran

I would like to make up a shirt that has print on front and back. The front would say 'I am happy the pope died'. Then when people react getting mad like idiots (over such a ridiculous man) because they would find it insulting that people are happy that their pope died, then I would turn around and the back would ask, 'aren't you happy the pope died and is in heaven now'?

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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025

by raymond frantz in

the following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.

each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.

we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.

Duran

Stop relying on what people in the Bible said or wrote and understand the mechanics of the process itself.

LOL! What a clown you are.

First off, the Bible itself may very well just be made up BS from people of the past. But whether true or not, it still says what it says. That being the case, you have no choice but to rely on what 'people' of the Bible said/wrote. If you ignored what they say, then there is no basis for even considering anything pertaining to 'anointed', a 'resurrection', etc.

The first resurrection of the anointed who have died as already occurred.

If that is true, then tell me when was the 'last day' that that resurrection occurred?

[ 39 This is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose none out of all those whom he has given me, but that I should resurrect them on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”]

It's simple. When Jesus became king, he resurrected the anointed who are already dead.

If that is true, when did the 'last trumpet' sound and why is there a trumpet sound heard in the future after the GT if you claim the 'last trumpet' already sounded?

[52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed.]

[29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.]

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Duran

I loved Wham too, but it seems that you are confusing Boy George with George Michael.

Wham! - Freedom (Live on Wogan 1984)

Or just maybe you are not confusing them, because they are both really part of a Trinity, along with George Harrison.

George Harrison - Got My Mind Set On You (Version II)

George Michael - Faith (Official Video)

Boy George - Karma Chameleon (Acoustic 1983)

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"JEHOVAH'S" witnesses: How could WE get the name so wrong????

by BoogerMan in

(matthew 10:18) ....before governors and kings for jehovah's sake, for a witness..... (mark 13:9) ...be put on the stand......for jehovah's sake, for a witness to them.

(luke 24:47, 48) .

Duran

Don't know what you are laughing about. I said nothing about what Jesus' last words were. I asked who was Jesus a witness of/for?

[43 I have come in the name of my Father, but you do not receive me. If someone else came in his own name, you would receive that one.]

[38 for I have come down from heaven to do, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.]

[30 I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.]

[ 25 Jesus answered them: “I told you, and yet you do not believe. The works that I am doing in my Father’s name, these bear witness about me.]

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Sisters can now wear pants. Any more important changes

by Witness 007 in

alot of my witness friends were excited sisters can now wear pants and you can say hi to disfellowshiped folks but what about important stuff child molesters in the congregation you need 2 witnesses blood fractions are fine but not whole blood????

607 bce is from the 1880s wrong....anything else?

Duran

Regarding birthdays, I understand what Rattigan means to an extent. Being born is an accident of circumstances for us (or fate, if you believe in that) - not something we put effort into. Whereas, making a marriage last another year requires effort from both parties.

Marriage is supposed to be until death parts you from one another. So every year that both husband and wife live, then they are going to remain married. Therefore, if a married couple celebrates their wedding anniversary each year, what they are really celebrating is that neither one of them died during that year. Where's the effort in that?

If you claim that regardless of marriage supposing to be until death, that many get a divorce because they don't get along and have to put effort into making their marriage last year to year and therefore should celebrate each year that they make it, then I guess that can apply to any relationship friend or family member. You should celebrate every year with whomever you stay friends with and with whatever family you continue to have a relationship with. Doesn't it take effort to keep relationships with all people, not just spouses? Either celebrate yearly each and every relationship you have with a person or realized that it is foolish to think there is reason to celebrate a wedding date.

Again, the question I am waiting to hear an answer to from Rattigan is why do JWs have baby showers? And how does the reason for doing so not apply to year one and two, etc.. of that same child that a baby shower was given for?

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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025

by raymond frantz in

the following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.

each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.

we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.

Duran

When Jesus became king, he cleansed the heavens as John 14:2-6 (prepared a place for the apostles) and Rev 12 says casting out Satan from the heavens. Then those dead in Christ were raised to heaven. Then after that time, any anointed left, when they died were instantly raised to heaven.

So, if you believe the resurrection has already occurred, then does that mean that you believe the 'last day' has come and the 'last trumpet' has blown?

[ 39 This is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose none out of all those whom he has given me, but that I should resurrect them on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”]

[24 Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”]

[52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed.]

[29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.]

[8 However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.]

[4 And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years.]

[ 7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.]