g96 4/22 - Reflecting the mood of the times, George Bush, who was then president of the United States, spoke on many occasions about an emerging “new world order.”
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16New World, New World Order, New System of Things
by blondie inthe wts has used to above terms, over the years, some more preferred in certain time periods.
more though, but these occurred to me first.
also the terms "new world" and "new world order" have been used by some us presidents and other leaders..
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by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
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Duran
Nabopolasar (626-605) - 21 years ****609 17th year****
Nebuchadnezzar (605-562) - 43 years ****598****597****587****582***
Awil-Marduk (562 -560) - 2 years
Neriglissar (560- 556) - 4 years
Labashi-Marduk (556-556) 9 months
Nabonidus/Belshazzar (556 - 539) -17 years
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In 609, Nabopolasar's 17th year of his 21-year reign, Babylon became the 3rd world power until 539 when it was overthrown, and Medo-Persia became the 4th world power. During those 70 years (609-539) is when 'all the nations', including the Jews served Babylon.
Jehoiakim, Jehoiachin, and Zedekiah were vassal kings of Babylon and serving Babylon prior to Jerusalem's destruction. Due to rebelling against Babylon is what let to Nebuchadnezzar's invasion of Judah and siege of Jerusalem.
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[24 In Je·hoiʹa·kim’s days King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon came against him, and Je·hoiʹa·kim became his servant for three years. However, he turned against him and rebelled. 2Then Jehovah began to send against him marauder bands of Chal·deʹans, Syrians, Moʹab·ites, and Amʹmon·ites. He kept sending them against Judah to destroy it, according to Jehovah’s word that he had spoken through his servants the prophets.]
[52 Zed·e·kiʹah was 21 years old when he became king, and he reigned for 11 years in Jerusalem.3It was because of Jehovah’s anger that these things took place in Jerusalem and in Judah, until he cast them out of his sight. And Zed·e·kiʹah rebelled against the king of Babylon.4In the ninth year of Zed·e·kiʹah’s reign, in the tenth month, on the tenth day of the month, King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon came with all his army against Jerusalem. They camped against it and built a siege wall all around it.5And the city was under siege until the 11th year of King Zed·e·kiʹah.]
[JR - Like many of his predecessors, Zedekiah “continued to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah.” (Jer. 52:1, 2) He was a subject of the Babylonians, and Nebuchadnezzar made him take an oath in Jehovah’s name that obliged him to submit to the king of Babylon. Despite that, Zedekiah eventually rebelled.
[Insight- Particularly was this domination manifest during the seventh and sixth centuries B.C.E. when Nabopolassar, a native of Chaldea, and his successors, Nebuchadnezzar II, Evil-merodach (Awil-Marduk), Neriglissar, Labashi-Marduk, Nabonidus, and Belshazzar, ruled the Third World Power, Babylon. That dynasty came to its end when “Belshazzar the Chaldean king was killed.”]
[AD- The reign of Nebuchadnezzar’s father Nabopolassar marked the start of what is called the Neo-Babylonian Empire; it ended with the reigns of Nabonidus and his son Belshazzar and the overthrow of Babylon by Cyrus the Persian.
[DP - Nebuchadnezzar, who reigned for 43 years, headed a dynasty that ruled over the Babylonian Empire.
[w65 1/1 - Evil-merodach reigned two years and was murdered by his brother-in-law Neriglissar, who reigned for four years, which time he spent mainly in building operations. His underage son Labashi-Marduk, a vicious boy, succeeded him, and was assassinated within nine months. ]
[Insight - Nabonidus - Last supreme monarch of the Babylonian Empire; father of Belshazzar. On the basis of cuneiform texts he is believed to have ruled some 17 years (556-539 B.C.E.).]
[BQA - A man named Nabonidus was king during the events recorded in Daniel chapter 5. However, Nabonidus spent much of his reign, not in Babylon, but in Arabia. Who ruled in Babylon while he was absent? “A cuneiform record states that Nabonidus entrusted the kingship to his eldest son, i.e. to Belshazzar,”]
[w53 7/15 -The rulers of Egypt were cruel, wicked men and greatly oppressed the people. Their government, which became the first world power, was a complete and miserable failure. It was conquered by Assyria, the second world power, likewise under the influence of Satan.]
[Insight - The Babylonian Chronicle B.M. (British Museum) 21901 recounts the fall of Nineveh, the capital of Assyria, following a siege carried out by the combined forces of Nabopolassar, the king of Babylon, and of Cyaxares the Mede during the 14th year of Nabopolassar (612 B.C.E.) ... According to the same chronicle, in the 14th year of Nabopolassar (612 B.C.E.), Ashuruballit (king of Assyria) attempted to continue Assyrian rule from Haran as his capital city. This chronicle states, under the 17th year of Nabopolassar (609 B.C.E.): “In the month Duuzu, Ashuruballit, king of Assyria, and a large army of Egypt who had come to his aid crossed the river Euphrates and marched on to conquer Harran.” Their campaign against Haran did not succeed. The Assyrian Empire had ended.]
[w65 6/1 - Babylon succeeded Assyria as the Third World Power.]
[Insight - By now the Medes and Persians under command of Cyrus the Great were on the march to take over control of Babylonia and become the fourth world power. During the night of October 5, 539 B.C.E. (Gregorian calendar), Babylon was seized, and Belshazzar was slain.]
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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!
by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
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Duran
scholar...to everything you say...
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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!
by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
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Duran
LOL! Scholar in line with what Vidqun posted...
[28 These are the people whom Neb·u·chad·rezʹzar took into exile: in the seventh year, three thousand and twenty-three Jews.
29 In the eighteenth year of Neb·u·chad·rezʹzar, from Jerusalem there were eight hundred and thirty-two souls.
30 In the twenty-third year of Neb·u·chad·rezʹzar, Neb·uʹzar·adʹan the chief of the bodyguard took Jews into exile, seven hundred and forty-five souls. All the souls were four thousand and six hundred.]Above it shows 3 exiles that took place in Neb's 7, 18 and 23 year.
According to WTS Neb ruled as king for 43 years.
They say 607 was Neb's 18th year.
607+18=625-43=582
625-582 Neb's years as king (According to WTS)
His 7th year would be 618.
18th year world be 607.
23rd year would be 602.
This shows captivity for:
81 years 618-537
70 years 607-537
65 years 602-537
Was Babylon a world power for 88 years? (625-537)
Were they a world power for 81 years? (618-537)
Were they a world power 86 years? (625-539)
Were they a world power 79 years? (618-539)
Were they a world power 70 years? (607-537)
Were they a world power 68 years? (607-539)
Do you think that Babylon was being served during 625-618 period?
How about during 618-607?
Were the ones taken captive in 602 (after 607) serving Babylon during that 5-year 607-602 period?
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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!
by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
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Duran
True from the viewpoint of secular history, But from Daniel's viewpoint, Babylon was the first world power with its overthrow of Jerusalem in 607 BCE. From this time nations were now subject to Babylon in accordance with Jer. 25:11.now having served Babylon for 70 years along with Judah.
Like you have for years on here, your reasoning is moronic, you love to parrot the WTS false teachings, and you ignore Scriptures like Jeremiah 27:6-11.
Even if you want to claim that destruction came on Jerusalem in 607 (even thou it happened in 587), the serving of Babylon for the nations started before any such destruction came upon Jerusalem. And even if you want to claim the Jews came back in 537, there is no reason to conclude that the 70 years for the rest of the nations ended in 607.
The fact is that no nations including the Jews did not serve Babylon after 539 being that it came to its end at that time.
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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!
by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
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Duran
As I previously stated the First World Power according to Dan. 2 was Babylon.
The statement made by me was:
Babylon was the 3rd world power during that 70-year period and then in 539 the Medes and Persians became the 4th world power.
To which you replied:
Incorrect for according to Daniel the first World Power was Babylon followed by Medo-Persia.
I showed you what John said about there being 8 kings and I showed you the WTS says about all 8 world powers.
Daniel addresses the said kings, but he focusses starting from the 3rd king Babylon down to the 8th king.
Do you disagree that Egypt and Assyria were each world powers prior to Babylon?
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Babylon's time as a World Power ended with its overthrow in 539 BCE by the Medo-Persian Empire.
Yes! Very good scholar, you are making progress with such statement.
So, knowing that Babylon ceased being the world power in 539 and that Medo-Persian became the world power at that time when Babylon was overthrown, the question is when did Babylon become the world power?
The answer is after Assiya was overthrown. Assiya was the world power before Babylon and all nations were under subjection to Assiya, including Babylon. Then with the overthrow of Assiya, Babylon became the world power, and ALL nations were in subjection to Babylon until it was overthrown by Medo-Persian in 539.
Jeremiah 25:11,12 speaks to this period for Babylon and the nations, stating that ALL nations would have to serve Babylon 70 years, and when THOSE 70 years were fulfilled, Babylon would then come to its end, which we know it did in 539 when Medo-Persian overthrew them.
Serving Babylon had nothing to do with being taken captive there. All nations served Babylon by being under subjection to them, during the time it was a world power. (609-539) Having to be killed or taken captive to Babylon was only based on refusing to serve.
[ 11 And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years]
[ 6 And now I have given all these lands into the hand of my servant King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon; even the wild beasts of the field I have given him to serve him. 7 All the nations will serve him and his son and his grandson until the time for his own land comes, 8If any nation or kingdom refuses to serve King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon and refuses to put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine, and with pestilence,’ declares Jehovah, ‘until I have finished them off by his hand.’9 Therefore, do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your magicians, and your sorcerers, who are saying to you: “You will not serve the king of Babylon.” 10 For they are prophesying lies to you, so that you will be taken far away from your land and I will disperse you and you will perish.11 But the nation that brings its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serves him, I will allow to remain on its land,’ declares Jehovah, ‘to cultivate it and dwell in it.]
[12 And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon and against that nation,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘their error, even against the land of the Chal·deʹans, and I will make it desolate wastes to time indefinite.]
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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!
by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
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Duran
Incorrect for according to Daniel the first World Power was Babylon followed by Medo-Persia.
LOL!
What about according to John and your beloved WTS...
[w85 10/1 - In Bible history, five major empires flourished, oppressed God’s people, and then fell before John’s day: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece. When John was alive, the Roman empire was in power. Centuries after John’s death, the Roman empire passed from the scene as the dominant world power and was eventually replaced by the British empire. Soon this empire’s western colonies gained independence and came to act closely with Britain to form the Anglo-American world power. This is the “king” that had “not yet arrived” in John’s day. What was the relationship between the beast that John saw and the seven empires represented by its heads? “It is also itself an eighth king, but springs from the seven.” Revelation 17:9-11]
1 Egypt, 2 Assyria, 3 Babylon, 4 Medo-Persia, 5 Greece, 6 Rome, 7 Anglo-American, 8 UN
Regardless, Babylon's time as a world power ended in 539 when it was defeated by Medo-Persia. That being the case and sense it was said that the nations had to serve Babylon 70 years, then the 70th year ended in 539 and thereby started in 609.
[The Bible—God’s Word or Man’s? - In 539 B.C.E., the time of Babylon’s rule as the preeminent world power came to an end when the vigorous Persian ruler Cyrus, accompanied by the army of Media, marched against the city.]
[w88 12/1 - God’s time had come to end Babylon’s rule. Hence, he had strange handwriting appear on the wall.]
Jere 25:11,12; Daniel 5:26,28,30,31; 2 Chronicles 36:20
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The text clearly states that this judgement began after the fulfilment of the 70 years which could have only ended in 537 BCE with the end of the Exile thus 539 BCE is impossible.
Here is what is said:
[12 “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]
Here is what your beloved WTS says:
[w81 8/1 -The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E. when Babylon was overthrown by the Medes and the Persians.]
The 70 years had to be fulfilled first in order for Jehovah to call to account/execute judgment on Babylon. The WTS state that judgment/calling to account happened in 539, therefore the 70 years did not end in 537, otherwise Jehovah would have been calling Babylon to account/executing judgment on them in the 68th year of those 70 years. He would be jumping ahead by 2 years of his own appointed time to act when those 70 years had been fulfilled.
[w98 11/15 - We know that Jehovah is the Great Timekeeper, and we have confidence that he never fails to fulfill his purposes at his appointed time.]
Do you believe your GB in their saying that Jehovah executed judgment/called to account Babylon in 539 by them being conquered by Medo-Persia?
Do you believe Jehovah through Jeremiah that 70 years had to be fulfilled first before he would call Babylon to account?
Do you think Jehovah called Babylon to account in the 68th year of those 70 years?
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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!
by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
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Duran
You have misconstrued the WT 1981, August 1, in applying Jehovah's judgement against Babylon in 539 BCE with Jer. 25:11-12. This WT article is based on the prophecy of Habakkuk and the paragraph cited by you has in its context not Jer. 25:11-12 but Hab.
How absurd can you be?
Who gives a rat's ass about if the WT was speaking about Hab. That does not change what is said in verse 11&12 and what the WT claims happened in 539.
They said that Jehovah executed judgment on Babylon in 539. Verse 12 says that this would occur when 70 years have been fulfilled. That makes 539 the 70th year, making 609 the 1st of those 70 years.
Babylon was the 3rd world power during that 70-year period and then in 539 the Medes and Persians became the 4th world power.
You can say all you want about that 81WT talking about Hab, but that does not change the context and timing of the 70 years ending in 539 and that that was when the nations served Babylon while it was the 3rd world power, which it ceased being when Medo-Persia conquered it.
Notice Jer. 25:11-12 being cited below.
[Life - History records that Babylon took the Jews into captivity. Yet, about 40 years before this happened Jeremiah foretold it. Isaiah predicted it some 150 years before it happened. He also foretold that the Jews would return from captivity. So did Jeremiah, saying that they would be restored to their land after 70 years.—Isaiah 39:6, 7; 44:26; Jeremiah 25:8-12; 29:10 This return was made possible by the overthrow of Babylon by the Medes and Persians in 539 B.C.E....While Babylon was still a world power the Bible foretold its conquest by a symbolic two-horned ram, representing “the kings of Media and Persia.” (Daniel 8:20) As foretold, Medo-Persia became the next world power when it conquered Babylon in 539 B.C.E.]
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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!
by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
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Oh, my word, you are still here...
You are such a fool with your asinine replies.
You have misconstrued Je. 25:11, 12
I didn't misconstrue anything.
The LIE that the GB teach, is claiming that the 70 years stated in verse 11 and 12, took place 607-537.
Those verses show 2 things that would occur.
1. The 'nations' would serve Babylon 70 years.
2. At the end of those 70 years, Babylon would come to its end/be called to account.
The 81WT correctly points out that Jehovah called Babylon to account in 539, just like verse 12 said he would do when those 70 years were fulfilled.
Being that the 70 years were fulfilled in 539, then that means they started in 609.
That means that the 70 years that the 'nations' would have to serve Babylon, took place 609-539, which makes 607-537 a LIE.
Nebuchadnezzar was king of Babylon before 609, but the nations did not start serving Babylon prior to that time because Assyria was still the 2nd world power at that time. It was not until 609 when Assyria was defeated in Harran, then is when Babylon became the 3rd world power.
That is when (609) ALL the nations started serving under Babylon rule until 539.
70 years is the length of time given to Babylon to be the 3rd world power.
[ 11 ... these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”]
[12 “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]
[26 “This is the interpretation of the words: MEʹNE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end.27 “TEʹKEL, you have been weighed in the balances and found lacking.28 “PEʹRES, your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and the Persians.”]
[w81 8/1 - The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E. when Babylon was overthrown by the Medes and the Persians.]
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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!
by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
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[ 11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’12 “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.]
[w11 10/1 - According to Bible chronology, then, the 70 years was a literal period of time that ended in 537 B.C.E. Counting back 70 years, the start date of the period would be 607 B.C.E.]
Above they LIE about the timing of those 70 years but below they tell the truth.
[Isaiah’s Prophecy book - Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination—when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above “the stars of God.”...But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble.]
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[w81 8/1 - The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E. when Babylon was overthrown by the Medes and the Persians.]
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[Isaiah’s Prophecy book - the Babylonians dominated the land of ancient Judah and Jerusalem for some 70 years, from about 609 B.C.E. until 539 B.C.E. when the capital city of Babylon was captured.]