at best you’ll get someone saying it’s fake and those are not the real leaders of the JW
Can you tell the Difference between Real vs Fake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wVpVH0Wa6E
Now that we have AI!
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26It’s now official - The Governing Body Members are called for Legal Deposition in a Major Court Case Against Jehovah’s Witnesses!
by liam init’s now official - the governing body members are called for legal deposition in a major court case against jehovah’s witnesses!
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ke6cgh/its_now_official_the_governing_body_members_are/.
recent court documents show that members of the jehovah’s witnesses governing body — including former member tony morris — have been officially subpoenaed to give sworn testimony regarding cases of sexual abuse in new york and how the organization dealt with (or essentially hid) them.
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It’s now official - The Governing Body Members are called for Legal Deposition in a Major Court Case Against Jehovah’s Witnesses!
by liam init’s now official - the governing body members are called for legal deposition in a major court case against jehovah’s witnesses!
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ke6cgh/its_now_official_the_governing_body_members_are/.
recent court documents show that members of the jehovah’s witnesses governing body — including former member tony morris — have been officially subpoenaed to give sworn testimony regarding cases of sexual abuse in new york and how the organization dealt with (or essentially hid) them.
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OperationAlarming700It’s now official - The Governing Body Members are called for Legal Deposition in a Major Court Case Against Jehovah’s Witnesses!
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ke6cgh/its_now_official_the_governing_body_members_are/
Recent court documents show that members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses Governing Body — including former member Tony Morris — have been officially subpoenaed to give sworn testimony regarding cases of sexual abuse in New York and how the organization dealt with (or essentially hid) them.
This could be a turning point, as they may be forced to answer difficult questions about the organization. If they agree to testify, the recordings will be documented and could become publicly available. If they refuse to testify, they could be found guilty, face heavy financial penalties, and essentially confirm to the public that the organization did, in fact, cover up these cases of sexual abuse.
The sources for these legal actions against the Governing Body have been made public and are available here:
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https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=dELrWFj8CjD8CBvel1gBSA%3D%3D
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https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=9aP45xbPyfjPJ2pebhPHYw%3D%3D
If you want to find out more please check: https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=8a0gVk440rov0X1twLoxgQ%3D%3D&display=all&courtType=Kings+County+Supreme+Court&resultsPageNum=2
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1975 !
by Sea Breeze inhow many of you here remember 1975?
i hope the newer generations never forget.the true believers got shamed for it.
those who were hedging their bets, fared much better.
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1 Cor.7 Do not look for a wife.....What I am saying, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; ..... For this world in its present form is passing away.
I wonder how many young men and women followed this counsel, only to get old and finally realized that the "Time is short- this world is passing away" '''''Godly Counsel ........was all a lie, made up, Not by God, but by HUMANS?
Reminds me of the 1969 Awake posted on the internet for all to see and be warned.
Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15
If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not?
Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.
Of the generation that observed the beginning of the 'last days' in 1914, Jesus foretold: 'This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way towards its finish, if not actually gone!
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1975 !
by Sea Breeze inhow many of you here remember 1975?
i hope the newer generations never forget.the true believers got shamed for it.
those who were hedging their bets, fared much better.
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1975 was based on the last generation that would not die. I can’t help but imagine that the early Christian followers also got duped, out of a normal life.
How could this be if Jesus said that no one knows the day or hour?
Well because Jesus Also said; Matthew 24:34 I can promise you that some of the people of this generation will still be alive when all this happens.
Now my question is; Why would the Son of God, or God, if your Christian theology believes Jesus is God, make such a statement, knowing full well that some 2000 years later, he still wouldn’t be showing up?
Did Jesus not know that making a statement that implies that “This Generation will still be alive when this happens” would Confuse Billions of his loyal followers, and lead many of them to an untimely death at worse, or a difficult economic life at the least.
Jesus is suppose to be all knowing-all powerful. Yet the fact that He could not perceive the damage that this one verse would cause to his followers as Century after Century, Millennium, after Millennium would come and go, causing tremendous amount of disappointment to Billions of his loyal followers, either proves that He’s not as wise a people believe, or He doesn’t have the power to predict what the future holds for his worshipers, or He doesn’t care what happens to his loyal followers.
Proverbs 13:12 Delayed hope makes the heart sick, but fulfilled desire is a tree of life.
If anything this verse in the bible has cause,…... it’s that a lot of Christians went from being Christian to being Atheist.
But it’s not just Jesus’s words about the generation that would not pass. It’s the entire Christian Greek Scriptures are riddled with implications that can be interpreted by every generation that ‘Their Generation’ is the one that will witness the Last days.
And when the Last days never comes, Husbands, Mothers and children are left with a broken heart, as they watch their loved ones get old, sickly, and finally die.
1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour;
1 Timothy 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith,
1 Peter 4:7 The end of all things is near;
2 Peter 3:3 in the last days mockers will come with their mocking,
Jude 1:18 “In the last times people who ridicule God will appear.
Sprinkling incense back in the early days of Christianity was their 1975.
So if you think 1975 messed up your life economically, Imagine the early Christian Mother living under the Roman authority, who refused to sprinkle some incense over a fire as a sign of loyalty to the State. This refusal was seen as a challenge to the authority of the state and in many cases led to not only this Christian Mother’s execution in a horrible way, but many Christian Mothers, and Fathers and Children who were under the Christian indoctrination, met an early demise. Usually they were thrown to the lions as spectators rallied at the sport.
Thus leaving Husbands, Mothers and children with a broken heart, and having to fend for themselves.
What bible verse told the early Christians they shouldn’t sprinkle incense over the fire because God said it meant Worship of a Human? There is no verse condemning sprinkling incense. It was an interpretation by Christian Elders or whatever they were called back then. Many Christians died because of this interpretation by “Humans”
Imagine if you were born back then instead of our time. And You were married to a wonderful woman. A great mother to your four children. But indoctrinated into this bible interpretation theology. And she was put into a situation where she was asked to sprinkle a pinch of incense to show loyalty to the State, but the Congregation elders or some type of Governing Body back then told her she couldn’t do that because it would displease Jehovah, and because of the indoctrination into this Christian theology, she listened to the elders and refused sprinkling incense, and was thrown into the lions……...How Would You feel?
I’ve see this happen to may JW in our modern times. The husband wakes up, the wife believes he has become apostate, and the elders encourage Her to leave him, she leaves him, the family is broken up, the children had no full-time father anymore. Eventually the husband meets another woman who is not a jw, marries her and moves far away. Leaving his former wife who stays single for the rest of her life, struggling financially and being lonely and depressed because the Bible is a book that has been used for millenniums, to confuse and misdirect “Good” people whose only desire is to be a good person.
The Governing Body is just part of a long list of idiotic humans who have used a book that is so contradictory, that anyone can interpret any verse in a way that will misdirect a person to their eventual demise.
If there was no Bible, there would have never been a 1975.
Never a No Blood Doctrine, No disfellowshipping, No shunning, no judicial committees where the least knowledgeable men are judge, jury, and executioner.
And….No one would have spent 60 years of their life serving 11 old men in New York, most of whom they have never met. Old men who are so delusional that they believe they are going to rule not just the earth, but the entire Universe as Kings forever and ever.
And on top of that. Stephen Lett reveled a few years ago, that they will also be able to resurrect the dead. …….You can’t get any more delusional than that.
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1975 !
by Sea Breeze inhow many of you here remember 1975?
i hope the newer generations never forget.the true believers got shamed for it.
those who were hedging their bets, fared much better.
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Sea Breeze, of course we all heard of 1975, it hard not to, considering the Internet reveals everything these days. But PIMI parents tell us that it was over zealous publishers that made a big deal of it, not God's Organization.
The magazines you pointed out shows that the WT did have some of the responsibility in coercing the members that 1975 was significant, but the publishers that believed it to the point of selling their homes and quitting their jobs to pioneer also bear some responsibility.
Not everyone sold their homes and not everyone quit their jobs to pioneer. That's what gives the WT credence when they say "It was overzealous publisher that are at fault"
Since the young people like me or younger never "Felt" the emotional High of 1975, it means nothing to us. It's like reading stories about the followers of Marshall Applewhite, the leader of the Heaven's Gate cult, which believed in extraterrestrial salvation and organized a mass suicide in 1997
The stores are interesting, but we don't lose sleep over it or talk about it with each other. It was something in the past that didn't affect us. And the people that followed him to the death were just people who for some reason believed Applewhite had some type of "Divine Knowledge"
Just like the PIMI Jehovah Witnesses of today that still follow everything 11 old men in New York say, "Even if it doesn't make sense from a human standpoint"
Or people who believe Biden was the best President the United States ever had, and AOC should be the Next President of the USA.
There seems to be two types of humans on the planet.
Those who want to know the truth and investigate, research, and dig in.
And those who believe everything they are told and wont do the hard work of researching, investigating, and digging in to find the facts. Because it takes time to do the work.
And sometimes, people want comforting lies instead of Unpleasant truths.
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1975 !
by Sea Breeze inhow many of you here remember 1975?
i hope the newer generations never forget.the true believers got shamed for it.
those who were hedging their bets, fared much better.
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1975--I hope the newer generations never forget.
1975...............What about it!
That was almost 30 years before I was born.
That's like telling me....don't forget 1727???
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Trump Tariffs started today, Some Countries Caved in early morning.
by liam inusa politicians in charge of the economy for the past 50 years were too stupid to understand how the economy works.
this just proves my theory, that an education on the top tier universities just sucks and means nothing in the real world, unless its in the stem education.
for 50 years usa had zero tariffs on other countries.
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liam...your entire post is a LIE. The 2024 tariff on Butter levied by the Canadian government was 11.38 cents per kilogram which is about 5.2 cents per pound. The 300% tariff only kicks in if more butter is imported than was agreed upon by the two countries
It’s a lot more complicated that your simplistic assessment. Your one paragraph that you read on the cbsa-asfc.gc.ca doesn’t even begin to explain how trade between nations affect the particular industry involved.
The International Dairy Foods Association (IDFA), Washington, D.C., represents the nation’s dairy manufacturing and marketing industry, which supports more than 3.2 million jobs that generate $49 billion in direct wages and $794 billion in overall economic impact. I
DFA’s diverse membership ranges from multinational organizations to single-plant companies, from dairy companies and cooperatives to food retailers and suppliers, all on the cutting edge of innovation and sustainable business practices.
Together, they represent most of the milk, cheese, ice cream, yogurt and cultured products, and dairy ingredients produced and marketed in the United States and sold throughout the world.
WASHINGTON, March 7, 2025—Becky Rasdall Vargas, senior vice president of trade and workforce policy at the International Dairy Foods Association (IDFA), released the following statement in response to President Trump’s suggestion that the United States may place a reciprocal tariff on Canadian dairy products:
“It is accurate that Canada imposes a tariff of approximately 250% on U.S. exports of certain dairy products into Canada, and even more with Canada’s 25% retaliatory tariffs in place.
However, that tariff would only apply if we were able to reach and exceed the quota on U.S. dairy exports agreed to under the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA).
Frustratingly, the U.S. has never gotten close to exceeding our USMCA quotas because Canada HAS ERECTED VARIOUS PROTECTIONIST MEASURES that fly in the face of their trade obligations made under USMCA.
“U.S. dairy is grateful for the Trump Administration’s efforts to hold Canada accountable on these PROTECTIONIST MEASURES.
At the same time, a prolonged tariff war with our top trading partners will continue to create uncertainly and additional costs for American dairy farmers, processors, and our rural communities.
We urge Canada and the United States to negotiate a resolution to these issues – both Canada’s trade barriers to U.S. dairy exports and the tariffs – as expeditiously as possible.”
I’m not going to do the research for each item that trades between Canada and the USA. But you need to research each industry and product and all the details on how trade between Nations work to get a full picture. It's not as simple as I give you this and you give me that.
If it was all a lie, Canada wouldn’t have folded at the last moment.
https://www.idfa.org/news/idfa-statement-on-potential-u-s-tariff-on-canadian-dairy-products
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Trump Tariffs started today, Some Countries Caved in early morning.
by liam inusa politicians in charge of the economy for the past 50 years were too stupid to understand how the economy works.
this just proves my theory, that an education on the top tier universities just sucks and means nothing in the real world, unless its in the stem education.
for 50 years usa had zero tariffs on other countries.
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USA Politicians in charge of the Economy for the past 50 years were too stupid to understand how the Economy works. This just proves my theory, that an Education on the Top tier Universities just sucks and means nothing in the real world, unless its in the STEM education.
For 50 years USA had Zero Tariffs on other Countries. Yet Everyone of our Allies had Tariffs on USA. How is that Free Trade?
For Example;
Canada had
270% Tariff on all Milk Imports on America
245% on all Cheese Imports
300% on all Butter Imports
238% on Chicken
163% on Eggs
And USA had Zero import Tariffs on those same products, making it unfair for American Farmers to sell their products to Canada
After all the Screaming and crying for two months Canada Caved in this morning the Tariffs were a go
And No One knew that Israel, USA’s brother, whom America has back up many times, had Tariffs on many goods as high as 200 Percent. And Trump kept it away from the news media that they were also going to get High Tariffs, plus stop all the financial help if they didn’t remove the Tariffs on their Goods. Natanyahu dropped the Tariffs yesterday, one day before the deadline.
And other Countries are following. Trump has said the USA is going to start getting into all the markets, Oil, Chips, AI, Auto manufacturing, Food production, etc. He is shrinking the Government. He is eliminating fraud in Social Security and Medicare.
And Trump sassing the Media, said if people don’t like the fraud we are getting rid of in Social Security and Medicare, we can allow Crooked Joe Biden to create an agency for any person that wants the Democrats to handle their Social Security.
Trumps said there will still be a recession because thousands of workers in federal Agencies have been fired to make Government Smaller, Maybe for two years it will be difficult, but after that, America will be the Economic power again.
The only threat looming on the Horizion is Iran has decided to start making Nuclear Bombs and Russia is threatening anyone that has any ideas of bombing Iran’s nuclear Facilities.
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I was going to write a new topic ... but now I just can't be bothered
by no-zombie ini was going to write a new topic but now i just can't be bothered ... and i'll tell you why.. on my facebook feed a few days ago, i saw an interview of a couple of onlyfans girls, who said that they were active christians that attended church weekly.
and while i was going to spend some time writing about the virtues of our faith's strict moral standards ... i now understand that i'd only be flamed as a watchtower apologist.. that being said, out of the approximately 4 million onlyfan girls out there ... it obvious, that none are jehovah's witnesses..
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In that the woman in question …..She was also a adulteress not a prostitute who was in the 'business' Which is a far cry from the shameless OnlyFans girls who publicly promote their 'alternate lifestyle' ... unlike street prostitutes who work in the shadows of society.
So you’re saying that on a scale of 1-10 for sin, 10 being the worst, an adulteress is a 1 prostitute in business is a 5 and a girl on OnlyFans is a 10.
1 Corthians 6: 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral…….. nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men …….will inherit the kingdom of God.
According to this bible verse, Adulterers AND a sexually immoral persons get the same punishment. Neither will inherit God’s Kingdom. It does not distinguish between a prostitute and an adulteress.
In fact, it was religious leaders throughout the ages that started rating sin in degrees. That’s why many Catholic priests usually ask the person in confession;
“And How Many times did you do this my child?” (number given) Priest says;
“Say Ten Hail Mary's and 15 Our Fathers”
But like I said Before; MORALS ARE SUBJECTIVE. And the example in John 8 proves my point that Morals are subjective. Just look closely at what happened.
The Pharisees interrupted Jesus and they Drag in a women caught in the act of Adultery and remind Him; “in the Law, Moses, Commanded us to Stone such Woman, so what do you say?”
Now, who did Moses get that law from? Moses got that law to stone such woman caught in Adultery from GOD.
So where was Jesus when God gave that command that a woman committing sexual relations with another married person, should be stone? Was Jesus in another room in heaven and didn’t hear God give that command to Moses? Was Jesus unaware of God’s thinking in this matter?
See they put Jesus in a pickle. Because if He says; “Stone Her” he contradicts His Image of this compassionate, moral reformer. Plus, He would also be violating Roman Law, which forbade Jews from carrying out executions. He would be arrested.
But if He says; “Don’t Stone Her” He is Denying the Law of Moses and is going against GOD’S OWN COMMANDMENTS.
Now if Morals were from God they would be Objective. Truth would be Truth under any circumstances. OnlyFans, Prostitutes, or just some woman sleeping with a man once, would all carry the same penalty.
There would be no debate that a woman committing adultery deserved to be stoned. The Law of Moses DID NOT ALLOW ROOM FOR A “contrite and repentant attitude” ……..Like you mentioned in your post.
The law was very specific. A woman caught committing adultery was to be stoned, Regardless.
So from the perspective of seeking the truth with regards to what type of sexual proclivities are considered BAD, vs NOT SO BAD, this example, if you believe Jesus, is very subjective.
In fact, any person that was there at the scene and seeking the truth in these matters of whether this type of sexual conduct was right or wrong, would leave learning NOTHING AT ALL.
Because Jesus doesn’t say if the law of Moses is right or wrong, and neither does he say if the woman is innocent or guilty.
And Why Doesn’t Jesus call out the man’s actions, since it takes two people to commit adultery?
Because Jesus was the product of His Time and Place and only saw the error of the Woman and sidestep the ISSUE and turned the focus on the accuser’s own Sins. Shaming people to get out of a tough spot.
And what made it worse for any sincere person seeking the Truth in these matters, Jesus walked away, leaving the woman’s legal issue UNRESOLVED, as well as the spiritual aspect of the matter.
That example in John 8 just reinforces that the differing sexual conduct that these girls are involved in is subjective based on Culture, Country, legal, and religious indoctrination.
There is no such thing as “Divine Definitions” on what’s a sin and what’s not a sin. Neither is there “Degrees of Sin” from a Divine Source.
All Degrees of sin are of Human Origin. Based on culture, personal preference, religious indoctrination, and tribal law.
That’s why the Watchtower can have legal doctrine that says if a man touches a woman’s genitalia, it’s grounds for divorce. But in other Christian organizations, that would not be grounds for divorce.
It’s all subjective.
And if you feel Girls that do OnlyFans have God’s disfavor, that’s you’re right. But I wouldn’t hold my breath believing God is going to destroy them, because women have been doing this type of behavior for hundreds of thousands of years, and their relatives millions of years, and as of yet, no Omniscient, Omnipotent, Benevolent God has stepped up to condemn them.
Only Humans condemn other Humans!
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I was going to write a new topic ... but now I just can't be bothered
by no-zombie ini was going to write a new topic but now i just can't be bothered ... and i'll tell you why.. on my facebook feed a few days ago, i saw an interview of a couple of onlyfans girls, who said that they were active christians that attended church weekly.
and while i was going to spend some time writing about the virtues of our faith's strict moral standards ... i now understand that i'd only be flamed as a watchtower apologist.. that being said, out of the approximately 4 million onlyfan girls out there ... it obvious, that none are jehovah's witnesses..
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Anony Mous
I don’t agree that morals are subjective, that would mean we should accept the fact JW org breeds immorality.
Morals being subjective Does Not Mean that we should accept the fact JW org breeds immorality or anything for that matter.
Subjective refers to something that is based on personal opinions, feelings, or beliefs rather than on objective facts. It often describes individual perspectives that can vary from person to person.
My example above makes this point;
Example; A child can grow up as a soldier in a “holy war”, or it can grow up as a humanitarian- and neither would think they are doing the wrong thing.
(Because it describes ‘Individual perspective based on personal opinions, feelings, beliefs rather than on objective facts.)
no-zombie
Firstly, OnlyFans girls are not making 5 million dollars per month by "just posing naked" online. No ... they are doing a hell lot more, for that kind of money.
A lot of them do make millions per month, and a lot of them Don’t. It’s a business, some make it some don’t.
However regardless of what they do, to me, they are no better than drug dealers ... people who have completely sold out their principles for money.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but me personally, I’m not one to condemn these young girls trying to make their way in this heartless world. I’m not one to throw the First stone.
But be my guest, you throw the first stone.
John 8; The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?”They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”