Posts by TonusOH

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

How can he hire a lawyer to file criminal charges? Thats the state's job. You dont have to hire a lawyer for criminal prosecutions.

Yeah, that part seems odd. An individual can press charges or report crime to the authorities, at which point a prosecutor can determine whether or not to follow through. Defamation is an actual crime in Croatia, the sort of law that can help keep the press in line when the government is as sensitive as Evans. I would be surprised (and quite amused) if the government agreed to spend tax dollars to pursue criminal charges in such a case.

But when you are confident that no one will contest the charges, you can file away and bluster all you want online. The problem will be the aftermath, when the 'defendants' continue to poke fun at him and mock him endlessly even after they were all 'convicted' of the crime of insult.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

That his court case will succeed is a vain hope. Even if it did, there will be no repercussions except it would let him 'crow' his innocence.

That's the gist of it. Notice that he tries to gloss over the actual consequences of the case, assuring everyone that the court can find against someone who doesn't bother to show up to defend themself. That's pretty much the extent of the consequences- you'll be 'convicted' in absentia of insulting someone across the internet. Actual consequences? Nothing.

And I'll point out again, that he does not want any of this stuff actually tried in court, with defendants making a case and cross-examining or deposing him. He can say what he wants in a Twitter rant or Facebook post, but it would be very different facing an actual lawyer, asking him questions that might actually put him in his own legal trouble.

One curious thing that he points out as "obvious" is this:

When you defame someone it isn't their job to provide a point-by-point summary of how you have defamed them and/or help you fact-check your defamatory content to make it more agreeable.

Actually, it is exactly like that. Unless the Croatian courts use the standard of 'guilty until proven innocent,' you do have to prove your case to either a judge or jury. Same with a civil case. And you are indeed expected to provide the defense with a summary of the case you intend to make, again unless Croatian courts allow plaintiffs to ambush defendants with a lawsuit.

Again, I have to wonder if this "legal team" exists outside of his mind.

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Are You Concerned About Inflation?

by Simon in

i saw a statistic the other day that something like 25% of all the debt that the us has incurred since 1776 was created in the last 12 months.

that's because they have printed so much currency and instead of letting that stop them, they are going to continue printing more to go on a spending spree on crazy green-new-deal schemes and union handouts.. does anyone think that this can be anything other than inflationary?

they are effectively stealing the wealth of everyone to then hand money out to people.

TonusOH

There was a twitter post with this info:

Groceries +11.9% y/y -->Biggest increase since 1979
Chicken +17.4% ->Largest ever
Restaurants +9% -> Largest ever
Fuel oil +107% ->Largest ever
Electricity +12% ->Largest since '06
Rent +5.2% ->Largest since 1987
Airfare +37.8% ->Largest since 1980
Services +5.7% ->Largest since 1990

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

But Cedars? Just imagine if he were truly being controlled by WT.

It would explain why Anthony Morris buys so much liquor, lol.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Is that really him? It's gotten to where the parody would be indistinguishable from the real thing.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

"What is the sign of the last days," his supporters implored, "and how will we know the time has come?"

"There will be many signs," he replied. "Litigation, and threats of litigation. In one court after another, filings and more litigation. But this is not the end of litigation, it is only the beginning..."

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Capitol Attack Hearings

by shadowclone in

hearings are on the schedule for abc, bbc, cbs, cnn, msnbc and nbc.

not on fox "news".. will you be watching?

or maybe .

TonusOH

There isn't much that will come of it. The people who rioted were arrested and charged and have been or are being dealt with. If they had anything of any substance against Trump or other politicians, they'd have acted on it by now. The only thing left is to put on a show and see if bread and circuses can make voters forget how bad things have been over the past year.

As for an insurrection or coup-- if that's what the capitol rioters were attempting, it was possibly the poorest effort ever made, and had no chance of succeeding since our government doesn't work that way. The notion that you could put a gun to the VP's head and have him determine an election by request is laughable, and few of the rioters were armed or even seemed to know what they wanted to do, aside from make some noise and run around with no sense of purpose.

If November does turn out to be a red wave, this kind of clueless theatre of the absurd is one of the reasons.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Almost like he's doing this to scare people away from criticising him.

That's all it is. He chafes at any criticism (real or perceived), so one of his tactics is to call his detractors cowards if they don't let him doxx them (or does anyone really think he is going to add every random internet person to "THE LITIGATION"? lol). This is one of the things that makes me wonder if he even has a lawyer, much less a "legal team." Any lawyer worth his salt would have sat him down by now and made clear that if he didn't shut up, he would be representing himself.

Unless he ended up with a lawyer who figured him for an easy mark, and will spend as little time as possible working on the case while finding ways to charge him for "research" or whatever other line items he can dream up.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

After all the stuff that we know (and all the stuff that we can only imagine), I did not get the impression that there was anything worth saving. His wife and daughters need stability and a warm home environment with less anxiety and stress. He does not seem like the type to change his behavior for their sake. He strikes me as someone who is on a long spiral downward, and it's better for his family if he does not drag them down with him.

So I think it's probably for the best if he moves far from them and goes on about his self-destructive business. Maybe he will hit rock bottom before it is too late and turn his life around. Maybe not. Better for his family to be free of him until he decides one way or the other.

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Remembering back

by Hellothere in

anything you remember that went in org that you feel embarrassed now?

i remember back in the 80s how seems like every magazine was about bashing other group's.

how holy and faithful watchtower was compared to catholic church.

TonusOH

I guess there are many things that make me feel embarrassed for the organization and its leadership, not so much the followers. I can remember a few of the things that made me stop and think; even though I pushed those things aside at the time, they ended up having an effect in the long run.

I think the one that stuck with me the most was the admission that obedience was more important than being correct, using the example of a couple that had informed the GB of a different interpretation of some teaching. They were told that the WTS would keep the present teaching, and they discussed their view with others in the congregation, which led to them being disfellowshipped. Later, the WTS adopted the very interpretation that the couple had promoted, but the couple were not reinstated. Why? Because they had disobeyed. The article basically admitted that being right did not make a difference!

I'm sure I echoed the company line at the time, but it is difficult to try to live with honesty and dignity while accepting something like that. I wonder how many other JWs go through that, where they try to stay in line with the organization but find it harder and harder to do so, because something they do is too wrong to rationalize and ignore forever.