Posts by waton

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

waton

It's still a secret to many modern day observers who believe the earth is flat.

PTB the earth was flat during the temptation of Jesus, a really high mountain would, on a clear day you the Chinese empire beyond the himalayas. The Incas and Mayas too. Even in 1054 years from now, the Earth will have 4 corners again, , ( or be a 3 cornered pyramid perhaps to have volume)?

God could have opted for general relativity, the ancient mind most likely would have struggled to understand it.

He did, e = mc^2, in Isaiah 40:26. stars made from energy. one of the handful of scriptures that come close to reality.

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

waton

Yes it goes for every book ever written not just holy ones.

PTB, of course the wt favourite " ALL scripture is inspired--" supports your view, ha ha. and it is true that without the eternal energy and fitting laws, the universe with us, would not exist. but the bible fan's special claim goes beyond that.

There are a few appropriate verses among the ~ 50 000, though, . One example in this week's zooming:

"Earth hanging on nothing" but actually hanging, against gravity by the "dynamic" energy of it's velocity, creating the centrifugal force. One could hardly call energy "nothing". and

the lacking support is seen in the fuzzy image of the shadow of the earth against the moon in an eclipse. so, no secret to any observant ancients.

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1995 generation change

by Gorb in

jw
friends

now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

waton

there will always be “other sheep” who will become the “great crowd” as they emerge from the great tribulation.

TD that is a point that deserves repeating. Only after the great tribulation will it be clear who is part of that crowd in the temple courtyard.

Without a doubt, if one of the anointed unrepentantly falls away, Jehovah does call another individual

That means The new partakers come out of that pool of candidates called "Other sheep", but rev 7 says that the 1444 000 are sealed out of the 12 tribes. so: biblically speaking,

the Great Crowd are the " 12 Tribes of the Israel of God " in the New Covenant.

JWs are "spiritual Israelites" but dont know it, dont touch the New Covenant emblems

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1995 generation change

by Gorb in

jw
friends

now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

waton

there will always be “other sheep” who will become the “great crowd” as they emerge from the great tribulation. TD

That is an unlucky pool of people who are in jeopardy to not please wt inc, and die unfaithfully before or during Armageddon. remember too, that

the Great tribulation is cut short to "save flesh." that is the great Crowd, not the anointed, because these want/ have to die to go to heaven. so:

The chosen ones of Math. 24 are the Great Crowd.

122

1995 generation change

by Gorb in

jw
friends

now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

waton

Because there is an absolute zero prospect of "many" of these living till Armageddon, let alone surviving it, the current “Great Crowd” doctrine itself is going to have to change.

VdH, easy, the overlap of the anointed group does not happen in isolation, all living bneings overlap in sync, as they move through time. so:

it is an universal overlap.

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

waton

How about Pauls advise that "Women should not speak in the congreagation"

I think this may be one of those instances where it was just an opinion expressed by Paul.

PTB, no, in verse 37 of ICor14 he declares it to be the "Lord's commandment" and:

If the bible is a product of the universe's intelligence heritage, do you think that is true of other holy writings too? They are just as an oddball read!

122

1995 generation change

by Gorb in

jw
friends

now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

waton

-That the heavenly hope was the only Christian hope from Pentecost until 1935.
-That the Ransom only directly applies to the 144,000 and the "great crowd" TD

that would put almost all the partakers, billions of dead churchgoers into the "earthly resurrection of the unrighteous" , but still be better than the hapless jws, that never partook, John 6. but whatever happened to Peter's hope of a " ---- new earth?

sorry, in wt weirdness, Jesus' ransom only applies directly, as a mediator, to the 144 000, not to jws now, the prospective members the great crowd.

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

waton

PTB: are you defending the divine origin of the scriptures? then:

having made humans in his image, he must have anticipated that they would be mini-creators, and find ways to read the radio messages that come in from the "in the Beginning period" that

it is comprehensible, ”Albert Einstein

He would not a mere 4000 years ago have words written in his name that contradicted reality, or have an organisation publish falsehood based on these falsehoods, fairy tales.

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The Bible - God's Word or Man's

by truth_b_known in

that is the title of one of the watchtower's seemingly endless list of books that was pushed out for sale placement in the jehovah's witness' ministry.

the title does ask a great question.

those who would deny that the bible is divine in origin usually point to failed prophecy, events that do not mesh with historic evidence, scientific evidence, or even plagiarism from other religions.

waton

From my understanding of the account in Genesis, God wasn't overly concerned about giving us a science lesson.
As for the age of the earth I don't believe the bible claims he did it in seven literal days.

PTB If the creator knew that his credibility would rest on the record he set, in his claimed word and creation, he would make sure that his works would not contradict his word. imho. He would know, that the truth about the truth aka his word, would come out, sooner or later.

The bible claims that the Earth was created at the Big Bang, . the landscaping came later.

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Bank Bail-Out / Bail-In

by Simon in

remember the last financial crisis, where there as a bail-out of the banks?.

have you ever stopped to think what the "out" part of bail-out means?

normally you think of bailing water out of a boat, or maybe jumping out of a plane, but in financial terms the "out" means "outside money".

waton

In Canada you can get accounts that the government will guarantee against loss for up to 100 000.- the government will guarantee too, that you will lose 3% in value every year, by dishing out money to folks for not working, not producing, illegally immigrating.