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  Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

  by AudeSapere in

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  2. friends

  dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  -aude..

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  @WitnessMyFury
  @ konceptual99, so someone there blatantly lies about what was said to put a positive spin on things?

  
  @WMF - I am not 100% sure if what I listened to was the complete testimony as it crossed two videos. I suggest waiting for the official video/transcripts assuming they will be released.

  It is not in the transcripts. Blatant lie.
  
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  Extrapolation of the Australia child abuse numbers

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  (let me know if anyone thinks my assumptions are way out of line, or if i've forgotten anything).

  basic facts:.

  the australian royal commission has 1000+ documented cases of child abuse over 65 years.

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  konceptual99

  Completely anecdotal but I raised the BBC report amongst a gang of friends over the weekend representing 3 congregations and we all knew of a case in each of our halls in the past 20 or so years. We also knew of another serious case in a friend's hall. I also know of a case in a local congregation that is not known about publicly and I have no idea if anyone in the congregation has been warned. There are some particular circumstances around the case but I know the person concerned goes to meetings.

  This of course is related to people known to have committed abuse. We've got no idea if there is anyone else around that is either not known, never been convicted or otherwise.

  It also is nothing to do with cases that have made the news over recent months.

  My personal opinion is that I find it unlikely that there is as many as 1 or 2 abusers in each congregation of roughly 100 in the UK but 1-5 per circuit would not surprise me at all.
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  Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

  by AudeSapere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  -aude..

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  @WMF - I am not 100% sure if what I listened to was the complete testimony as it crossed two videos. I suggest waiting for the official video/transcripts assuming they will be released.

  I am surprised that one of the bench would accept being questioned by the person giving their testimony however.
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  Does the royal commission have the power to force the Jws to change how abuse is handled?

  by hoser in

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  2. child-abuse

  i'm wondering if this is just a hearing or if this commission has teeth?.

  some very damning things coming out nonetheless .

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  From a scan of the terms of reference (http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/about-us/terms-of-reference) I don't believe it has any authority to force change but there are clearly conclusions and recommendations that will come out of the process.

  It will be interesting to note any comparisons that may be made about the WTS v other institutions, not just about historical processes but also about what has been done over the past decades to improve processes and what should be done in the future.

  There will be many organisations that will have a dubious track record but it will be very telling what conclusions are made as to where the WTS stands now in comparison to other similar institutions.
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  Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

  by AudeSapere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  -aude..

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  konceptual99

  @WMF

  I didnt hear him do that either.... (hmmmm)

  jwtalk. I tend to refer to it as "that other site"
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  Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

  by AudeSapere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  -aude..

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  This was on that other site:

  This morning A JW elder, Max Horley, said he destroyed notes from a meeting about the assault of BCB. The destruction was to protect the congregation and individuals involved.
  
  Brother Horley then turned the tables and spoke directly to one member of the commission pointing out that he understood that that members organisation also destroyed confidential evidence - actually asking 'Isnt that what you do?' The commission member confirmed that his organisation also did so. (That particular question and answer was NOT included in neither the ABC nor the Sydney Morning Herald reports of yesterday or today.)

  When I listened to the testimony of Max Horley, I didn't hear him question the bench. Is there a record of this?
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  Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

  by AudeSapere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  -aude..

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  konceptual99

  This is pure gold. He is making out that by being able to call Bethel Legal there is more support available that would prevent two witnesses from being needed and is now getting called out on it.
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  Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

  by AudeSapere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  -aude..

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  Just dipped into the feed. The elder is getting ripped to shreds. Rabbit in the headlights. I bet he never thought he would up in front of a RC when he was "made up"...
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  Speculation ( not theory ) on child abuse inquiries.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  most of you, like me, keep yourself informed as to what's happening in jw-land.

  like me, you make it your business to know what's going on.

  so i'm wondering why the wtbts is allowing eldubs to appear in these inquiries in australia??

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  konceptual99

  In the UK there is another factor that comes into play. Each congregation is a charity which is legally represented by it's trustees. The trustees are always the current body of elders.

  Any potential liability in a case of child abuse falls on the trustees of the charity - i.e. the elders. In the event of a Charity Commission investigation into a congregation then the WTS can do nothing to prevent the congregation trustees being held to account - it's charity law. Of course, the WTS also has entities with charitable status and these too can be implicated.

  Most elders have zero understanding of the implications of charity law on them. They are forced by WT regulations to go to Bethel yet they still carry the can.
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  1,000 sex abuse cases hidden in Australia for 68,000 publishers...what is it worldwide?

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the press is reporting that over 1,000 cases of abuse were hidden from authorities in australia.. australia has around 68,000 publishers.. if you that ratio applied to the u.s. also, there could be over 14,700 cases that were covered up here.. if the ratio held the same worldwide, that would be over 117,600 cases.. just let that sink in a little..

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  konceptual99

  The NSPCC in the UK have some published estimates for the rates of child abuse in the UK. This covers all types of abuse, not just sexual. According to their website:
  

  There are currently over 50,000 children identified as needing protection from abuse in the UK

  Over 62,000 children and young people talked to ChildLine about abuse last year

  We estimate that for every child identified as needing protection from abuse, another 8 are suffering abuse

  This is in a population of around 64 million. If you are to assume that the congregation is pretty much a reflection of society in general then a very rough calculation of the UK membership (130k) and the worldwide membership (8mil) against the estimated figure above ((50000*8)/64000000) gives around 800 children in the UK and 50000 worldwide as needing protection from abuse now.

  To be far to the other posts, this is not exactly comparing apples with apples. This is not purely sexual abuse and there is no real way of knowing so even this type of calculation is hardly scientific but even reducing the numbers by an highly optimistic 90% is chilling.

  I think it's clear that the numbers will always be speculative but what the figures from Oz do show is that the problem is not limited to a short period of time and not insignificant. If there is any similar numbers worldwide then the scale of the problem over the decades is frightening.

  There has to be a small band of brothers that know the real figures globally and I bet they are absolutely terrified that there is increased publicity on this and what that might mean in terms of legal exposure.