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  Child with brain tumour taken from UK hospital by JW parents

  by Fe2O3Girl in

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  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.

  a five-year-old boy with a brain tumour has been taken without consent from hospital by his parents, sparking a major police hunt for the family.. ashya king was taken from southampton general hospital and is now believed to be in france with his parents and six siblings.. police said he needs constant medical care and there are "serious concerns" for his life if he is not found today.. brett king, 51, and naghemeh king, 45 removed him from the ward on thursday.. ashya's father was pictured taking him from the hospital"everyone is sending their love now.

  we love you so much and we want to see you very soon and i love you so much and can't wait to see you.".

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  sowhatnow - it's not clear what the motivation is. My understanding from talking to someone who has been very close to the situation is that, to best of their knowledge, the child was not subject to a court order nor was blood a factor.

  The parents' action is a a surprise to those in the congregation and their intentions are not known. The reports on the BBC reflect this. The police are keeping an open mind and there is nothing to suggest a direct link between the parents' being Witnesses and their actions.

  The big concern now is that the child has a feeding system that requires batteries. They believe the batteries will have run out in the last hour. Without proper feeding his condition will deteriorate quickly. It may be that the parents can recharge the battery or have spares but this is not known.
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  Child with brain tumour taken from UK hospital by JW parents

  by Fe2O3Girl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.

  a five-year-old boy with a brain tumour has been taken without consent from hospital by his parents, sparking a major police hunt for the family.. ashya king was taken from southampton general hospital and is now believed to be in france with his parents and six siblings.. police said he needs constant medical care and there are "serious concerns" for his life if he is not found today.. brett king, 51, and naghemeh king, 45 removed him from the ward on thursday.. ashya's father was pictured taking him from the hospital"everyone is sending their love now.

  we love you so much and we want to see you very soon and i love you so much and can't wait to see you.".

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  quelly - I completely understand your anger and on the face of it the parents action seems utterly wrong.

  I don't know the parents (in fact this morning I didn't even know they were Witnesses) but I do know people that are in the same congregation in Portsmouth and have been very, very close to this situation. Having spoken to one of my friends, it is not at all clear why the parents have removed the boy from the care of the hospital but it is not a clear cut situation where all the facts have been made public. They are described as a very close and loving family but the situation with their son has put immense strain on the parents. I don't believe they are acting rationally and I also believe there are some factors associated with the boy's condition that may have triggered this action.

  I just hope that the family can be found and the child and his parents can all get the support and care they need ASAP.
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  Child with brain tumour taken from UK hospital by JW parents

  by Fe2O3Girl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.

  a five-year-old boy with a brain tumour has been taken without consent from hospital by his parents, sparking a major police hunt for the family.. ashya king was taken from southampton general hospital and is now believed to be in france with his parents and six siblings.. police said he needs constant medical care and there are "serious concerns" for his life if he is not found today.. brett king, 51, and naghemeh king, 45 removed him from the ward on thursday.. ashya's father was pictured taking him from the hospital"everyone is sending their love now.

  we love you so much and we want to see you very soon and i love you so much and can't wait to see you.".

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  I think you may be right AnnOMaly. The person I spoke with has been in daily face to face contact with the parents and family through the entire ordeal, visiting at the hospital, caring for the siblings etc. It seems this action was a total surprise and completely unexpected. The parents are under immense strain and whilst it is easy to look at the situation from afar and wonder what the hell they are doing, it simply seems the overwhelming stress of the situation is clouding their judgement.
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  Parents remove child from hospital fearing blood transfusion?

  by Randomthoughts in

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  2. medical

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.

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  So... from knowing nothing about this I have spoken to someone I know in the congregation where this family is in Portsmouth.

  Apparently the poor child has been sick for a while and the congregation has been providing alot of support. It's a large family and the mother has been pretty much 24/7 at the hospital and the dad has been there everyday as well. The congregation have been supporting the family and taking care of the other kids, providing food, going to the hospital etc.

  From what I understand, there is no court order and blood is not the issue. The poor boy had a major brain operation and he has not been able to recognise anyone or communicate in anyway since. The prognosis is poor. Regarding the reason for taking the child, even those who have beein in daily contact do not know. No one knows where they are heading or why. The phrase used was "the parents are distraught and desperate". Everyone close to the situation wants the parents to return.

  There is clearly much more that will come to light but it does seem that this is a unilateral decision on the part of "distraught and desperate" parents. The priority is the child but my sympathy goes beyond the poor. sick child and to his parents and siblings. It is truly a sad and desperate situation.
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  Parents remove child from hospital fearing blood transfusion?

  by Randomthoughts in

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  2. medical

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.

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  BBC Radio have a read a statement from (presumably) Bethel confirming the family are witnesses but that they are not aware of the reasons for the child being removed from hospital.

  The BBC were also at pains to say that, at the moment, the motivation is not clear - it could just be they want to take the child away for a holiday. Even the police were not able to confirm if the child was a Ward of Court. If not then what the parents choose to do is still their right and no crime has been committed.
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  Child with brain tumour taken from UK hospital by JW parents

  by Fe2O3Girl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.

  a five-year-old boy with a brain tumour has been taken without consent from hospital by his parents, sparking a major police hunt for the family.. ashya king was taken from southampton general hospital and is now believed to be in france with his parents and six siblings.. police said he needs constant medical care and there are "serious concerns" for his life if he is not found today.. brett king, 51, and naghemeh king, 45 removed him from the ward on thursday.. ashya's father was pictured taking him from the hospital"everyone is sending their love now.

  we love you so much and we want to see you very soon and i love you so much and can't wait to see you.".

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  Thanks kneehighmiah.
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  Child with brain tumour taken from UK hospital by JW parents

  by Fe2O3Girl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.

  a five-year-old boy with a brain tumour has been taken without consent from hospital by his parents, sparking a major police hunt for the family.. ashya king was taken from southampton general hospital and is now believed to be in france with his parents and six siblings.. police said he needs constant medical care and there are "serious concerns" for his life if he is not found today.. brett king, 51, and naghemeh king, 45 removed him from the ward on thursday.. ashya's father was pictured taking him from the hospital"everyone is sending their love now.

  we love you so much and we want to see you very soon and i love you so much and can't wait to see you.".

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  Terrible story but I cannot find any reference in the report to the parents being Witnesses.
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  Cults - Steven Hassan's BITE model.

  by ithinkisee in

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  2. beliefs

  combatting cult mind control : the #1 best-selling guide to protection, rescue, and recovery from destructive cults.

  by steven hassan.

  isbn: 0892813113

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  Would it be possible for Simon to implement pinned threads? I've not seen this thread after >2 years on the board and it is one of the best threads I have read. It is not easy for everyone to read Steven Hassans' books so this focus on how the BITE model is implemented in the WTS is essential reading.

  BTTT every week I say!
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  Will the WT get a twitter account?

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  with the recent success of the website which really seem to be working beyond at least my expectations, will the wt get a twitter account in the near(ish) future?.

  those who guess right win the bragging rights.

  my guess is no since twitter invite to much discussion, however they will eventually jump on a popular twitter-like social media service when one arise that is more easily controlled..

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  I seriously doubt the WTS will engage in twitter, facebook etc. as they would spend so much time deleting abusive comments. I would not be surprised if they have bagged a number of jw.org/WTS type account names however.
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  Fudging the Numbers: Is the WTBTS in decline?

  by Coded Logic in

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  it's no secret that the wtbts has a cash flow problem.

  over the past three years they have closed 20 of their 116 branches.

  they have sold off most of their properties in and around ny (including some kingdom halls), drastically reduced the # of printed pages for the watchtower and awake magazines, reduced the printing of books and other materials, increased the number of single page tract campagnes, installed cc machines at their assembly halls, and are now seizing of controll of property assets from local kingdom halls using renovation projects.

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  There were 63 baptised in Scotland at the convention. Add on those baptised at the circuit & special days and you are maybe talking about 140 for the year. That's in a country of 5.5 million people and is mostly made up of JW kids getting their rite of passage dunk at 14 - 16 years old. So maybe 50 have come in through the ministry. That is a tiny amount and doubtless typical of most european countries. The WTBTS has definitely gone ex-growth now in the 1st world.

  There were around 340 (ish) baptised at Twickenham and I recall the number for all the conventions around the UK being somewhere around 700. I know many waited for Twickenham so I expect the numbers at SA/CA events to be less. I still expect growth for the UK at around 1-2%.