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  Is It Time to regroup?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how much do you want to bet that the organization has already started preparing articles for the watchtower magazines, convention talks, circuit overseers talks and letters to bodies of elders, to refute what is happening in australia?

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  right now the most important thing for the wt to do is protect their image that they are gods visible organization.especially in the u.s. and latin american countries.

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  konceptual99

  Just thought as well... what are the chances of the Bethel heavies turning up for their testimony next week with some policy changes in hand?
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  Is It Time to regroup?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how much do you want to bet that the organization has already started preparing articles for the watchtower magazines, convention talks, circuit overseers talks and letters to bodies of elders, to refute what is happening in australia?

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  right now the most important thing for the wt to do is protect their image that they are gods visible organization.especially in the u.s. and latin american countries.

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  konceptual99

  I believe that if the GB had any real idea that the Commission proceedings would be such a debacle they would have taken far more pre-emptive action. I am gutted there is a day off for them to have some time to get their s**t together for the next run of testimony.

  I can see this going one of two ways:

  Option 1 - they do nothing, just wait for the findings of the Commission and then spin it on the basis that most of the R&F will stay loyal and the public have short memories.

  Option 2 - rapid changes in advance of the Commission to try and pre-empt the worst criticism. Possible changes would include:

  - child abuse allegations being handled by a SWAT team of specially trained elders (as per the comments above)

  - victims interviewed with support people (e.g. friends, relatives, SWAT team sisters)

  - victims positively encouraged to report to the authorities and supported in this

  - judicial action withheld until the authorities have investigated

  - no requirement for a victim to face the accused

  - any accused person having restrictions placed on them right away in terms of their privileges in the congregation and participation in activities such as the ministry

  - pro-active steps taken to ensure children are not left in a potentially dangerous environment (this is already part of policy but how well it is enforced currently is another thing)

  I am cautious of suggesting that the WTS will go on the offensive and start making open apologies and the like. They are still a very self-serving organisation when it comes to managing any liability. I suspect they will not do anything that would allow a glut of law suits to be presented world-wide as the implications on finances is huge.

  I do have a feeling they will realise that this Commission will expose the chasm between what other organisations have done to implement child protection best practice and where they are now. I don't think they are so stupid as to think they can ride the storm essentially unscathed. Prepare for some rapid changes that apparently have always been the case and for a ridiculous amount of spin...
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  Article: Reveal News Organization: JWs Cover-Up of Child Sex Abuse and Oust a Victim

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.revealnews.org/article/jehovahs-witnesses-cover-up-child-sex-abuse-and-oust-a-victim/.

  jehovahs witnesses cover up child sex abuse and oust a victim.

  topics: criminal justice / religion .

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  konceptual99

  I should find it astonishing that a father and mother would choose to side with a serial child abuser, the perpetrator of abuse against their own daughter and with the father being fully aware of the extent of this man's poisonous behaviour, just because their daughter has been disfellowshipped for being gay.

  The fact I can consider this to be completely normal for some Witnesses is tragic beyond belief.
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  Speculation ( not theory ) on child abuse inquiries.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  most of you, like me, keep yourself informed as to what's happening in jw-land.

  like me, you make it your business to know what's going on.

  so i'm wondering why the wtbts is allowing eldubs to appear in these inquiries in australia??

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  konceptual99

  They have to appear. That's what makes this process in Australia so ground breaking in terms of exposure.
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  Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

  by AudeSapere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  -aude..

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  @WitnessMyFury
  @ konceptual99, so someone there blatantly lies about what was said to put a positive spin on things?

  
  @WMF - I am not 100% sure if what I listened to was the complete testimony as it crossed two videos. I suggest waiting for the official video/transcripts assuming they will be released.

  It is not in the transcripts. Blatant lie.
  
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  Extrapolation of the Australia child abuse numbers

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  (let me know if anyone thinks my assumptions are way out of line, or if i've forgotten anything).

  basic facts:.

  the australian royal commission has 1000+ documented cases of child abuse over 65 years.

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  konceptual99

  Completely anecdotal but I raised the BBC report amongst a gang of friends over the weekend representing 3 congregations and we all knew of a case in each of our halls in the past 20 or so years. We also knew of another serious case in a friend's hall. I also know of a case in a local congregation that is not known about publicly and I have no idea if anyone in the congregation has been warned. There are some particular circumstances around the case but I know the person concerned goes to meetings.

  This of course is related to people known to have committed abuse. We've got no idea if there is anyone else around that is either not known, never been convicted or otherwise.

  It also is nothing to do with cases that have made the news over recent months.

  My personal opinion is that I find it unlikely that there is as many as 1 or 2 abusers in each congregation of roughly 100 in the UK but 1-5 per circuit would not surprise me at all.
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  Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

  by AudeSapere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  -aude..

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  @WMF - I am not 100% sure if what I listened to was the complete testimony as it crossed two videos. I suggest waiting for the official video/transcripts assuming they will be released.

  I am surprised that one of the bench would accept being questioned by the person giving their testimony however.
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  Does the royal commission have the power to force the Jws to change how abuse is handled?

  by hoser in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i'm wondering if this is just a hearing or if this commission has teeth?.

  some very damning things coming out nonetheless .

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  konceptual99

  From a scan of the terms of reference (http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/about-us/terms-of-reference) I don't believe it has any authority to force change but there are clearly conclusions and recommendations that will come out of the process.

  It will be interesting to note any comparisons that may be made about the WTS v other institutions, not just about historical processes but also about what has been done over the past decades to improve processes and what should be done in the future.

  There will be many organisations that will have a dubious track record but it will be very telling what conclusions are made as to where the WTS stands now in comparison to other similar institutions.
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  Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

  by AudeSapere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  -aude..

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  konceptual99

  @WMF

  I didnt hear him do that either.... (hmmmm)

  jwtalk. I tend to refer to it as "that other site"
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  Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

  by AudeSapere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  -aude..

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  konceptual99

  This was on that other site:

  This morning A JW elder, Max Horley, said he destroyed notes from a meeting about the assault of BCB. The destruction was to protect the congregation and individuals involved.
  
  Brother Horley then turned the tables and spoke directly to one member of the commission pointing out that he understood that that members organisation also destroyed confidential evidence - actually asking 'Isnt that what you do?' The commission member confirmed that his organisation also did so. (That particular question and answer was NOT included in neither the ABC nor the Sydney Morning Herald reports of yesterday or today.)

  When I listened to the testimony of Max Horley, I didn't hear him question the bench. Is there a record of this?