Posts by TheWonderofYou

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Bethel Status Update - Insider Information

by thedepressedsoul in

i have some updates and new information on the downsizing in bethel.

25% of all bethelites around the world will be sent home.

in the us over 1,000 will be sent home.

TheWonderofYou

I always wondered why 30 years ago my favourite presiding overseer asked me, why I was not applying to university, obviously here in my country the leeway is larger.

Sorry for all those who have to change the lifeplan and thought they were in a provident order.

Its a general problem that all religious corporations want to have power over your life and thoughts, manpower and money but dont want the fiduciary duty, the duty of care.

"A legal obligation of one party to act in the best interest of another. The obligated party is typically ad fiduciary, that is, someone entrusted with the care of money or property. Also called fiduciary obligation."
Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/fiduciary-duty.html#ixzz3oNiPZLnd

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

The institution teaches and traines the members e.g. parents in the correct method how to discipline and execute the "loving arrangement", what we saw on the conventions. The subservient obidience to gods will namely to "hate" apostates and humble acceptance of one's role in this process as well as working togehter with the elders' care is part of the institutional procedere.

This institutional allowence has the effect that many simple suppress the natural feelings in the mind and add indiviudal punishing methods that even exceeds the usual humantiarian tolerant appropriate good behaviour. The institutional' group allowence opens door for heartless cruelty. Therefore the trigger is the organisation, it is its responsiblity to say how far. It does it very good labelling and defining which contacts are allowed, but many go beyond, others not, others even dont stop greating. There are those too, they understand that christian have to show loving or perhaps they experienced the hell in their own family.

Simon: Sometimes the shunning is an excuse for them to be cruel, not the cause of it.

Sometimes in the future ,if the organisation was in danger, they will emphasize the individual responsibility. They will say, "we never said that, it was always an individual decision of each member. We only encouraged them to be better christians...."

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Ex JWs in UK deliver petition to Prime Minister

by JWchange in

over 4 million online views from press news stories for this public ex jw demonstration outside houses of parliament re child abuse cover ups.

great job marc/cora and your team.

.see the whole story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5i9q6rlimm .

TheWonderofYou

Courageous.

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THE WATCHTOWER (STUDY EDITION) JANUARY 2016

by wifibandit in

pdf .

this issue contains the study articles for february 29 to april 3, 2016.. what about the number of those partaking at the memorial?12, 13. why should we not worry about the number of those who eat the bread and drink the wine at the memorial?12 in recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the memorial of christs death.

that trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades.

TheWonderofYou

w 16/4/3 Those taking the count at the Memorial

Are we Gods "ac-count-ants"? And for what purpose. If the counts mean nothing, for what count. They never meant anything. It was only the basis for speculation and that was a mis-use.

If I would next time go to the memorial and partake, I would say to the counter

"Please dont count me, because I am humble and I dont wanna draw attention on me and with respect of those anointe brothers who havent yet come to a full realization of their call".

It would be good if all "anointed" would do so and thus show that they respect all other anointed, who havent had yet come to full realization of their heavenly call and force the GB to stop the counting process that is senseless.

Or are we a "heavenly call business corp." in which the heavenly tokens/shares experience advancement in value if more anointed are counted? Then the "a-counting" could easily be done online, each anointed could now here online raise the value by pressing the right arrow key. The left key would show that she/he prefers yet the earthly call.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

TheWonderofYou

The right to shun - Wrong?

No, I like to shun JW, mormons and adventist all the time when I see them walking around or stand somewhere or when they look away as if they would not see me, or if they are in preaching mode, because I am really not in the right mood to talk with these people at all and to hear their messages, I am never in the mood to talk with them. I dont like to discuss. The most I sometimes do if a JW looks at me I say: hello, but only few of them smirk back without greeting of course. Only two or three former JW friends had a longer conversaion with me mostly when I met them in a shopping center, over the last period of 30 years being away. So the only way out or to live in peace is to shun them.

BTW Nobody, not even my wife and my 2 daughters know that I once was a JW. Nobody else, only my mum and you here on board.

The same shunning I do with a guy who seems to be a fan of salafist. 2 years ago I began to talk with him at a training. He lately told me that it is urgent to change religion and have the only true religion islam, because i could go to hell if I would not change religion. He handed me out a book of an egyptian source about the islam. He lives near to me, saw him then going around on the street handing out free korans and carrying a big progaganda on his back intitled "The true religion" (thats a german street service of salafist ) now I am shunning him too. In our town handing out korans has been prohibited.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

TheWonderofYou

Simon:

...the personal choice comes in...

I agree that it depends much on the personal character, education, willigness to except other cultures and tolerance. The more information and dialog happens the better will be the personal choice, the personal hehave towards one who is disassociated, excommunicated or has other opinons.

The change will happen bottom up.

A big public interest about happenings in a minor religion cant be awaited. Who is interested in the social shunning that happens in the american Amish-cult?

So I think that it is the busines of those who suffered to highlight the sad consequences of shunning to the Organisation's leaders.

- Working together with humanitarian initatives and so getting stronger awareness of the matters like the human rights to have family ties even after a excommuncation case.

- Speaking about the News articles (Psychology today, Jamaica...., copying and sending to the congregations), this could stimulate a change.

- Partaking at scientific studies of international humanitarian organisations.

The only reason that shunning is powerful is because people hand over that power and right to choose.

I would compare that power with the power of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is the power of thoughs said High Officer for Human Rights, Prince Zeid

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

TheWonderofYou

Dont forget that in some countries JW are statutory bodies and you can e.g. marry in the kingdomhall... this would mean that the ministers than are state respresentatives like as marriage registars in italy and have high responsibility for the flock.

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NO.1 2016 Watchtower - up online

by Gayle in

jw
friends

why be honest?.

TheWonderofYou

Perhaps the writing committe encourages the GB-members to speak honestly about the problems that are facing our religion to its members and hope that they read the No. 1 issue at least.

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NO.1 2016 Watchtower - up online

by Gayle in

jw
friends

why be honest?.

TheWonderofYou

The Honesty from a WT viewpoint does not include

- financial reports about itself to the donating members

- or giving the name of the bible translators NWT

- or who are the writers of the WT articles.

- no info about child abous court cases and ARC

- or honestly apologies

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

TheWonderofYou

Are elders in the congregation in the same duty as teachers...do they have the office of a supervisory agency?

If we think that they try to receive the status as pastoral care privilege (pastoral confidentiality) like catolic priests have. Does the "shepherd the flock" book give advice comparable to a supervisory agency according to the law? A supervisory agency over christians?

Can you imagine the procedure of in a judicial committee?

1. the pastoral care with confidential talks- legally privilege

2. the social shunning - legally privilege?

The perfect world.

Then: If social shunning or discrimination is not a state law ...than a "law-abiding" religion should not have such things in its constitution.