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THE WATCHTOWER (STUDY EDITION) JANUARY 2016

by wifibandit in

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this issue contains the study articles for february 29 to april 3, 2016.. what about the number of those partaking at the memorial?12, 13. why should we not worry about the number of those who eat the bread and drink the wine at the memorial?12 in recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the memorial of christs death.

that trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades.

TheWonderofYou

w 16/4/3 Those taking the count at the Memorial

Are we Gods "ac-count-ants"? And for what purpose. If the counts mean nothing, for what count. They never meant anything. It was only the basis for speculation and that was a mis-use.

If I would next time go to the memorial and partake, I would say to the counter

"Please dont count me, because I am humble and I dont wanna draw attention on me and with respect of those anointe brothers who havent yet come to a full realization of their call".

It would be good if all "anointed" would do so and thus show that they respect all other anointed, who havent had yet come to full realization of their heavenly call and force the GB to stop the counting process that is senseless.

Or are we a "heavenly call business corp." in which the heavenly tokens/shares experience advancement in value if more anointed are counted? Then the "a-counting" could easily be done online, each anointed could now here online raise the value by pressing the right arrow key. The left key would show that she/he prefers yet the earthly call.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

TheWonderofYou

The right to shun - Wrong?

No, I like to shun JW, mormons and adventist all the time when I see them walking around or stand somewhere or when they look away as if they would not see me, or if they are in preaching mode, because I am really not in the right mood to talk with these people at all and to hear their messages, I am never in the mood to talk with them. I dont like to discuss. The most I sometimes do if a JW looks at me I say: hello, but only few of them smirk back without greeting of course. Only two or three former JW friends had a longer conversaion with me mostly when I met them in a shopping center, over the last period of 30 years being away. So the only way out or to live in peace is to shun them.

BTW Nobody, not even my wife and my 2 daughters know that I once was a JW. Nobody else, only my mum and you here on board.

The same shunning I do with a guy who seems to be a fan of salafist. 2 years ago I began to talk with him at a training. He lately told me that it is urgent to change religion and have the only true religion islam, because i could go to hell if I would not change religion. He handed me out a book of an egyptian source about the islam. He lives near to me, saw him then going around on the street handing out free korans and carrying a big progaganda on his back intitled "The true religion" (thats a german street service of salafist ) now I am shunning him too. In our town handing out korans has been prohibited.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

TheWonderofYou

Simon:

...the personal choice comes in...

I agree that it depends much on the personal character, education, willigness to except other cultures and tolerance. The more information and dialog happens the better will be the personal choice, the personal hehave towards one who is disassociated, excommunicated or has other opinons.

The change will happen bottom up.

A big public interest about happenings in a minor religion cant be awaited. Who is interested in the social shunning that happens in the american Amish-cult?

So I think that it is the busines of those who suffered to highlight the sad consequences of shunning to the Organisation's leaders.

- Working together with humanitarian initatives and so getting stronger awareness of the matters like the human rights to have family ties even after a excommuncation case.

- Speaking about the News articles (Psychology today, Jamaica...., copying and sending to the congregations), this could stimulate a change.

- Partaking at scientific studies of international humanitarian organisations.

The only reason that shunning is powerful is because people hand over that power and right to choose.

I would compare that power with the power of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is the power of thoughs said High Officer for Human Rights, Prince Zeid

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

TheWonderofYou

Dont forget that in some countries JW are statutory bodies and you can e.g. marry in the kingdomhall... this would mean that the ministers than are state respresentatives like as marriage registars in italy and have high responsibility for the flock.

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NO.1 2016 Watchtower - up online

by Gayle in

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friends

why be honest?.

TheWonderofYou

Perhaps the writing committe encourages the GB-members to speak honestly about the problems that are facing our religion to its members and hope that they read the No. 1 issue at least.

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NO.1 2016 Watchtower - up online

by Gayle in

jw
friends

why be honest?.

TheWonderofYou

The Honesty from a WT viewpoint does not include

- financial reports about itself to the donating members

- or giving the name of the bible translators NWT

- or who are the writers of the WT articles.

- no info about child abous court cases and ARC

- or honestly apologies

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

TheWonderofYou

Are elders in the congregation in the same duty as teachers...do they have the office of a supervisory agency?

If we think that they try to receive the status as pastoral care privilege (pastoral confidentiality) like catolic priests have. Does the "shepherd the flock" book give advice comparable to a supervisory agency according to the law? A supervisory agency over christians?

Can you imagine the procedure of in a judicial committee?

1. the pastoral care with confidential talks- legally privilege

2. the social shunning - legally privilege?

The perfect world.

Then: If social shunning or discrimination is not a state law ...than a "law-abiding" religion should not have such things in its constitution.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

TheWonderofYou

Sparrowdown

Is not a Christian religion of love morally ethically responsible for its members too? As grouo... or is it propaganda, a chimera.. are the innocent only catched and trapped to be socially abused?

If an instituition is a legal institution according to country law the ministers are to a certain extent of course responsible for the welfare of the members and not allowed to destroy the social integrity of a person or use social shunning rituals that harm the local community. Good shrepard.....Like the teachers for the pupils are responsible

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

TheWonderofYou

JW shunning considered "Social shunning" vs. Mental shunning"of individuals.... the world knows it!

Part 2

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-time-cure/201303/shunning-the-ultimate-rejection-part-ii

The loving arrangement under fire,

At the moment i think that any form of shunning is a lack of love, what means that we are not always able to be good 100 percent, its lately our mistake too out fear or because the group wants to show who is the dominat bull and we play the game or because a person or a group doesnt really want to approach a person, other culture, boring person, problematic person, dangerous person,, better be cautious and withdraw the love.

What are the rules for the congregation?

Jesus said in cases 12/10, the paragraph of the human rights, that some persons in the congregation will be difficult cases, but love has no limit, its only your fear that limits you, to approach others 77 times.

Did you ever visit a former bro in a jail? Must be difficult. He wouldnt be your best friend, but not shunning him that would be nearly 99/100 love level.I think that only a pope would do such a thing. An average christian would not be so good. It would say.. i warned him..now i wash my hands in innocence...shall others help him, try to chance him.. for me this guy is ultimately lost.

Now I think of jws who go to jails and have bible studies......then they dont judge these criminals..speaking about love and repentance ...

...but why are the same elders judges in J/Cs and withdrawing love in minor cases that dont end in jail....and make ultimative shunning decisions .and avoiding ultimate devisions if abuse is obviously ? Okay thats another subject

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

TheWonderofYou

Interesting psychology today about shunning and bullying ..evolution

JWshunning considered "Social shunning" vs." Mental rejection"

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-time-cure/201302/shunning-the-ultimate-rejection

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-time-cure/201303/shunning-the-ultimate-rejection-part-ii

I have a thought and perhaps it will be acknowledged...

Shunning as loving arrangement is done to bring someone back to the flock, let us look on the evolutionary reasons.