1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.
2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.
3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.
I agree that a complete reboot is necessary Fizzy.
Members of AWAA were invited or added from the Facebook Groups above and hundreds more I did not list.
The choice to accept or decline was not afforded them by Facebook Protocol just as it was not for the other groups they belonged to.
In each group one only has to look under the users name to see who and when they were "added" by.
1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.
2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.
3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.
These are also Facebook Groups. Why is their protection any different than AAWA?
Ex Jehovah's Witness Recovery Group 3
The End is Nigh...Again
Im Perfect, You're Doomed
Stopping the Madness-Tales from Jehovah's Witness Upbringing
THis Genereation Will Not Pass Away 100 Year Anniversary
Ex-Jehovah's Witness- No Paradise For Us
Ex JW's South Africa Care
Music Against the Watchtower
You Know You Were A Jehovah's Witness When...
Ex Jehovah's Witnesses Anonymous
Ex Jehovah's Witnesses Love Being EX!!! Freedom!!!
Apostate Ninja
Ex Jehovah's Witness Chat Lounge
Apostate & Es-Jehovalarious Meme COllection
Support for Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses
Gay and Lesbian Ex Jehovah's Witnesses
Jehovah's Witnesses & Biblical Discussion Group
Christian Witnesses Fellowship(Ex Jehovah's Witnesses & Friends)
The Vast Apostate Army
Peacefully Advocating Change!Exposing Watchtower
Jehovah's Witnesses-Former Bethelites
Apostate Blood Sausage Connoisseurs
Lovers of Freedom Ex Jehovah's Witnesses Recovery
Letters from Real Jehovah's Witnesses
Freethinkers of the World
US Southern Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses
A Call to Action: Bring down the Watchtower
Ex Jehovah's Witnesses: Happy to be Free
Ex Jehovah's Witnesses Exploring our Spirituality
1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.
2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.
3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.
So why post them?
Why should I not? You complain when there is no dialogue and you complain when there is.
It's funny how Simon's suggested FAQs don't even address Facebook
AAWA's issues stem from AAWA's Facebook Group. Of course they are pertinent, relevant and closely connected.
Hundreds of other groups and pages are not the problem
Nor have they had them and that speaks volumes.
1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.
2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.
3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.
Oh I understand now what you mean.
Members information would never be shared to other parties as a policy and such is stated and requested of each member to adhere to.
AND you are right. These questions should already be stated and answered on a FAQ board preferably on the Public Website. Maybe they will be there if it ever goes back online.
I think there are a handful that are attempting to keep an open dialogue going by participating in the discussion with observations of what is happening with AAWA despite some very bold personal attacks on character such as one JWN member towards me on various threads.
Marvin answered questions and gave some insights that were new to me. Maybe he likes peanut butter.
1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.
2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.
3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.
Yes Outlaw. That may be the only answer.
There are hundreds of ExJW Facebook Groups and Pages. Each one of them is subjected to the same security issues.
I was surprised looking through my own list how many of these groups I was added to and the various security settings they do or do not have set.
Facebook desparately needs a security option in personal settings that allows the user to forbid being added to groups without consent.
1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.
2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.
3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.
Brinjen said:
The problem with Facebook though is none of that is an absolute guarantee. They can change the privacy settings and re-set everything without even any notification of doing so.
Absolutely correct. Administators have a control panel and it is literally a click of the button and verification and the page could go wide open. Likewise, each Facebook user could inadvertently make adjustments to their personal security settings and their private page could go wide open. Finally, even Facebook itself has made blunders in security and reset privacy settings and added features that compromise a users privacy.
Facebook is risky. I believe that has been covered in abundance on this very forum.
1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.
2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.
3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.
Is that correct? It seems counter to what facebook say - if someone joins the group can't other members of the group see the person as a member?
If I am not "friends" with a member of the group, I can not see anything but what they have allowed in their settings. Usually their personal pages are locked up tight. I can see their Profile Picture and Name. Everything else is not accessible. Some users allow their info page and friends list to be seen by "friends of friends". In this case members of the AAWA group will be able to see these items that have been set open by the Facebook User. AAWA has been giving instructions on how to review personal settings and how tight privacy can be achieved through the Facebook User Settings.
Define 'outside' and 'member'. Will it be shared with other volunteers? These things need to be clear. The boundary of what the AAWA 'is' needs to be clear both for the AAWA company, the volunteers and people coming to them. I'm sure there are potential important liability issues, especially in the land-of-the-lawyers.
Member: You have been cleared by AAWA Administration through the protocols mentioned above and are shown on Membership Tab. You can see and interact with everyone on the members list on the AAWA group page, however if you are not "friends" with another member you will not be able to see their personal Facebook page unless thier own privacy settings have allowed for non "friends" to see it. Your personal page is either set to "only me", "private", "friends of friends", and "friends only"
Outside: TO ME, this means someone who has not been granted entry into the secret AAWA group. They can see absolutely nothing. Not members, not that they joined, not that they posted, etc. etc.
1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.
2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.
3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.
You are and have been fair in your posts regarding AAWA Simon. I hope to see many of the same issues you raise resolved.
Your questions.
Trust no one. AAWA is an activist oriented group. If you can not agree to the mission statement that is an indication it has trust issues for you.
If you are a member only another member will be able to "out" you. Log out of Facebook if you are in danger of family seeing your FB account.
Information or details that you have allowed on Facebook will only be viewable by group members that are also your "friend" on Facebook.
If someone is "outside" of AAWA, they can not see your information.
Review of their activism before AAWA, questionaire, referrences, phonecall.
These are in no way AAWA's official responses. They are only how I would answer for the sake of discussion.
my parents used to let us watch this series growing up.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wei5oek53h8&list=plsg87pnp-rju50meptced92tlyyym7wir.
... until one day they noticed it was actually a production from the evangelical lutheran church of america... .
then, it became prohibited.... the only explanation they provided us thereafter was that this cartoon was made by satan and his demons.. .
I remember watching it. It must have been reruns.
My mom was really tough about Tv programs too. No scooby, casper, smurfs, bewitched....this one must have skipped her notice.
1 - reconsider your existence - there might be a reason why the most effective resources to date have been solo efforts.
2 - recognize that even well-intentioned organizations will firstly seek self-preservation.
3 - be aware that egos and emotional stupidity have torn apart much grander edifices than aawa.
Thnx..SBF. Edited.
