Posts by HereIam60

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Memorial talk the SAME EVERY YEAR no anointed??

by Witness 007 in

yeah so got invited this year and just thought what a waste of my time no one partakes in the wine or bread the talk has been the same for 20 years i would rather stay home.

HereIam60

A portion of every Memorial talk seems designed to discourage anyone from "partaking" ( Do anyone but Witnesses even use that word?) The speaker practically DARES anyone to do so by making statements such as "Likely very few, or possibly no one here will partake of the emblems.." If that's really their view then why pass them around at all. They could just as well ,after praying over them make an announcement "At this time, those annointed for heavenly life may come forward and partake of the bread and wine. If you are unable to do so, raise your hand and an attendant will bring them to you.."

My own view is that everyone present does partake of Jesus body and blood, in that , all are there (at least to some degree) to His request to do this in remembrance of Him..and the emblems are offered and passed to everyone, so all recieve them in that manner.

Scripturally we are supposed to be "discerning the body"... reflecting upon and thankfully appreciating Christ's sacrifice. I do not think actual physical consumption of the emblems is required, or in some cases even possible.

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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025

by raymond frantz in

the following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.

each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.

we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.

HereIam60

"...We never told them what to do...it was their own choice...". This is their attitude toward everything now. The Governing bodies have always wanted authority without accountability. I'm sure this is why no specific instructions as to what to say in the ministry are given anymore. They don't want to be held accountable for anything individuals might say. As for the article quote, though specific to fractions, the rest says it all.. " Each Christian must make up his or her own mind...Making decisions like this are part of the load that each of us must carry...". I'm taking that as it's all On you, and Up to you...Pick and choose...Your decision.

It used to kill me, the old Awake articles on medical issues always had a footnote disclaimer that 'the publishers do not endorse or recommend any particular treatment' . Well neither should they have discouraged or forbidden any. Even the terms of use for the JW apps say they assume no liability or responsibility...does not constitute medical advice nor is a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment..."Reliance on any medical information is solely at your own risk" (!)...

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In the past 24 hours, the world has been breaking into fragments. What will be the Outcome??

by liam in

new german chancellor merz has won the election.

trump congratulated his victory but the response was not what trump expected.

merz condemned america, saying that america seemed to be aligning with russia.. he also expressed doubts about nato’s future.. he is now advocating that germany must gain independence from usa.

HereIam60

It will regroup, refragment, regroup , refragment.....and keep turning...

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Memorial attendance

by Balaamsass2 in

curious.

what was your local memorial attendance like tonight?

HereIam60

Ours is a Hall shared by 2 congregations, in some years we had 2 Memorial 'services' that evening, but this sometimes led to traffic congestion, and the second group getting out later, so this year, as they had a few times prior to Covid, a hotel ballroom was rented and the 2 congregations combined...I did not attempt to count but there were at least 200, with some non -witness invitees and some who rarely attend meetings, also a Zoom tie in

It went well, though I'm uncomfortable about the opening song being one in praise of "The Annointed"! A young elder gave the talk and did very well. Is it usual to applaud after the Memorial talk? My memory's not what it was but I don't recall this happening before. The talk (scripted, I assume) had the usual discouragement about partaking of the bread and wine (only for those in the heaven!y covenant, the rest 'respectful observers) and used an illustration I didn't care for..A school open only to citizens of the country, someone from elsewhere wishes to enroll, but cannot, because they are not a citizen.

For me personally it was a good occasion. I feel a sense of peace and unity with those around me, and worldwide, and do feel we are in the presence of Jehovah and Jesus, and all of us recieving His sacrificial flesh and blood, regardless of consuming the emblems or not. I realize this may be entirely emotional reaction on my part.

Sorry for long post!

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Special Talk just prior to the Memorial

by Acluetofindtheuser in

is the sunday special talk prior to the memorial just an introduction of a new outline for the sunday public talks?.

is it an attempt to get the faders back to the meetings?

they present in a way like some new light is going to be presented at the special talk..

HereIam60

The 'Special' talk before the Memorial is usually pretty bland and generic. The gist was "Where can truth be found?...in the Bible...In the teachings of Jesus...for further information contact Jehovah's Witnesses...". Its 'Special' because (they hope) due to the invitation campaign there will be a lot of visitors.

Another thing, at least here since the post-Covid return to the Kingdom Halls is that every few months an announcement is made that a congregation is having a " Special Bethel Speaker' for the weekend to which other congregations are invited. We had one of these just after going back. A young brother said to be an assistant to the Legal Department. He seemed a bit "full of himself" .He said proudly he'd been allowed to choose his own topic. I'm not sure if that means he was really free to say anything or just given his choice of outlines. I don't even remember his theme, but during it he really hammered down on returning to attending meetings, at one point saying "....In-person MEANS In- person...What's there not to understand?!!". He seemed a bit more human giving the Sunday talk the next day.

We share a hall, and our fellow congregation hosted one of these, the speaker being Robert Hendriks, once head of the U.S. Watchtower Public Information Dept. (Does that still even exist ?). Shortly after this rumors began to surface that he'd been disfellow...I mean " removed" but I've been unable to verify that.

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3 Changes The Watchtower Made on Babylon The Great in the Last 6 Months

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/vpws6ncqpla?si=dqnf7-hupfr4pdta.

for decades, jehovah’s witnesses have been banging on about babylon the great—the so-called world empire of false religion—being on the brink of collapse.

any day now, they assured us, churches would empty out, priests would be left twiddling their thumbs, and humanity would collectively bin organised religion.

HereIam60

Thank you for the explanation.

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Inviting People to Meetings

by HereIam60 in

the current memorial invitation campaign got me thinking about the few times over the years that someone i invited to a meeting actually came: .

1) once when i was "new", i invited a friend to a sunday meeting.

neither of us drove, so the brother conducting my study picked us up.

HereIam60

The current Memorial invitation campaign got me thinking about the few times over the years that someone I invited to a meeting actually came:

1) Once when I was "new", I invited a friend to a Sunday meeting. Neither of us drove, so the brother conducting my study picked us up. My friend was enthused until the opening song " Walking in Integrity" began, the lyrics include "I do not sit with wicked men of lies. I hate the company of those who truth despise...With evil men take not away my life..." etc. He looked at me with an expression of "What is this ??!!". Then he took exception with something said in the Public Talk (I don't recall the subject). He got so loud that he was escorted out of the Hall. Why the brother who brought us didn't just take us home at that point, I don't know, but he wouldn't. So I sat embarrassed through the rest of the meeting, while my friend paced angrily outside smoking. After dropping him off, my study conductor actually said " Dump him!"..(I didn't).

2) My mom came to the Memorial and fell asleep during the talk.

3) A study with a couple was turned over to me. The man had no intention of leaving his church , but came to the Congregation book study a few times. His wife wouldn't after the first.

4) Another study was turned over to me, with an elderly man. He came to the Memorial with his daughter. He did not partake of the emblems but thought she should. She declined.

5) During the Covid shut down my wife got a nice reply to a letter she'd written, from a man in his 90s. We started calling him by phone, then visiting him, just because he enjoyed the company. He came to the 'special' pre-Memorial ' talk 2 years ago, but he has difficulty hearing, we have to practically yell for him to hear, and even with amplification he couldn't hear the talk clearly and the bible and magazine print was too small. Still, he said he enjoyed it.

Just reminiscing...I think it was good that they all were true to themselves and their feelings! I don't think I'll be inviting anymore, but would enjoy reading others experiences if they care to share!

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3 Changes The Watchtower Made on Babylon The Great in the Last 6 Months

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/vpws6ncqpla?si=dqnf7-hupfr4pdta.

for decades, jehovah’s witnesses have been banging on about babylon the great—the so-called world empire of false religion—being on the brink of collapse.

any day now, they assured us, churches would empty out, priests would be left twiddling their thumbs, and humanity would collectively bin organised religion.

HereIam60

raymond frantz....What is "the Arrival of the fallen ones"?

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3 Changes The Watchtower Made on Babylon The Great in the Last 6 Months

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/vpws6ncqpla?si=dqnf7-hupfr4pdta.

for decades, jehovah’s witnesses have been banging on about babylon the great—the so-called world empire of false religion—being on the brink of collapse.

any day now, they assured us, churches would empty out, priests would be left twiddling their thumbs, and humanity would collectively bin organised religion.

HereIam60

This not-"new-light" seems to be just another attempt to prolong the timeline of events supposed to happen before the end. The scripture (Revelation 17:17) has always stated that God would put it into their hearts to carry out his thought...their one thought by giving their power to the wild beast.." The talk at the annual meeting harped on the idea that, formerly, their one thought was to destroy false religion, now they, in accord with the verse, emphasize that the "thought" is to turn their power over to the UN, so that It can carry out the destruction. As usual, no detail is given as to how it will be carried out, although in recent years they had said it would likely not mean the death of all religious people..Possibly just a dissolving or de-powering of churches etc. It's all kept vague, because they don't know, and the purposely keeping it uncertain makes it more 'urgent' and scary.

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Strange, Interesting Day

by HereIam60 in

i have worked for over 25 years now in a day habilitation program for persons with physical and mental diabilities.

in recent years this has often involved assisting them in doing community volunteer work, as in our state, persons receiving services are required to have a 'job' of some sort.

as a result, we have worked in catholic and salvation army food pantries, animal shelters, libraries, a nature center, a vietnam war veterans museum and delivered meals on wheels.

HereIam60

Yes DesirousofChange...I am aware...when typing it in, I did try to arrange it in paragraphs but it posted all as a block. Just getting used to this. Sorry if it was irritating !