reading about jw.org rules changes these days gives me a sad observation.. everything what "is" today, can be gone tomorrow.. that makes it all worthless.
you were an elder, searching for evidence, and proof to df a person.
because he or she was not humble enough.
And now, it became all worthless with the DF policy change.
Not sure if I read your post right, but the DF policy is the same, in fact has become more difficult, Earlier, people would need just one judicial hearing to cry and save from being DF'ed. However, now you meet the committee multiple times and have to keep crying and proving that you are sorry. Our congregation had a JC (now called CoE) which went on for 4 meetings with the same person and then the decision was taken to reprove.
republicans want to make a law that forbids ‘uncontested divorce”.
they based this on this scripture.. matthew 19. is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”.
4 “haven’t you read,” jesus replied, “that at the beginning the creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ so they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Christian Standard Bible; Exodus 20:10
If he takes an additional wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife.
Are you sure you are referring to the right scripture?
anyone have any anecdotal reports of individual congregation finances since the stealth takeover by the wt of their checking accounts?.
are donations up?
can they pay their bills?.
Are donations up? Can they pay their bills?
Congregations that are unable to pay their bills can pass it off to the branch. According to the latest direction, the congregation is responsible for only scheduled maintenance, i.e. Replacing air conditioning filters, cleaning ventilation grilles, replacing light bulbs, checking plumbing fixtures, checking and adjusting door hardware, checking exit lights, changing engine oil on lawn mower, touch-up painting.
The branch, approves and pays for all other expenses that constitutes repair, Minor Renovations, Upgrades, and New Installations, Major Renovations, and New Construction
anyone have any anecdotal reports of individual congregation finances since the stealth takeover by the wt of their checking accounts?.
are donations up?
can they pay their bills?.
Blonde. Posted but just what is read; beginning balance, monies spent (no breakdown), ending balance.
No idea what electric, heat, water, money sent off to mom, etc. is.
No. The congregations are directed to post the Page 1 of the Accounts report which includes the breakdown of all receipts and all individual disbursements. The congregation members can see where the money is going.
any fond memories or funny stories relating to the old book study arrangement?.
i remember a time when a new sister turned up with very smart jacket and shirt.
yet she was wearing trousers and when questioned by everyone she said "blimey, i think geoff (her husband) is wearing my skirt!".
As a young boy, I enjoyed the Book Study meetings - mostly because I had the time and the circumstances to attend.
Now as a working professional, I can understand what a pain that would have been to attend, and am happy that this additional meeting was eliminated.
i was thinking about the male children ( even unbaptized ) being placed ahead of the sisters.
; and i thought the jw were raising a bunch of misogynist.
would these kids not feel more important than their mothers let alone other women.
My wife and women in the congregation are quite relieved. It was frustrating to see my wife prance around the hall with the microphone during the 1-hr Watchtower study, while perfectly fit men were warming their seats. In fact, its demeaning to use women for these mundane tasks that can be easily done by men and boys.
Last year during a CSA case in my congregation, my wife was asked to be there with the victim lady during all the sessions that elders had. Now thats a good way to use a woman in the congregation.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
He is a frightening being, when we recognize that his actions are who he is.
Yes, the NT makes it clear too:
Hebrews 10:31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Many people are drawn to this part of being submissive to a God who has a monstrous side and a loving side. My mother who was a victim of domestic violence by our father became a JW due to this frightening aspect of Jehovah - a God who exacts justice and revenge. Quick to smash and kill people in the book of Judges and then a merciful side in the Book of Ruth. She faced and endured my Dad's drunken wrath due to her devotion. We kids saw her literally praying and crying and then soothing herself to sleep while talking to her God.
just a heads up that the english version with the changed cover is now up on jw.com.. i haven’t yet read it but if any you have the time i’m looking forward to people’s insights.. in the meantime i must find a red 🍷.
cheers,.
ozzie (of the ‘is he still here?’ class ).
Notice how it’s not a personal decision about whether or not the person will continue to associate, but the ‘decision’ is to not associate.
But isn't that what Paul says: "keep this one marked and stop associating with him". There is no question of deciding whether to associate or not. Just that rather than enforced by elders, this will be an individual's personal decision to mark him, which he cannot enforce on anyone else.
These aren’t reforms…
Yes, these are just change of terminologies to match the terms mentioned in the Bible. The term disfellowship was never there in the Bible, and thus for outsiders shunning looked like a practice
which was not Bible-based. Now in courts you can just quote the scripture and tell that this practice of removing wrongdoers is directly mentioned in the Bible.
since 1931, they have called themselves jehovah’s witnesses.
founded in 1879 by charles taze russell (1852-1916).
jw’s publisher is the watchtower bible and tract society, and their publications include "the watchtower" and "awake!
The only lengthy posts over here I ever enjoyed reading were of Leolia's. I even took notes while reading them and kept my Bible open as she skillfully went from one scripture to another analysing them with proper research and backed-up evidence.
I can show you all the evidence in real life situations.
Thanks DOC, I know. I have 2 cousins who are disfellowshipped.
I am simply asking if the WT asks parents to kick their minors out of the house when they are disfellowshipped.
Again, minors. Not adult children.
