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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

If you can quote me the papers that state as you said, I will look at them for their legitimacy.

Just deal with the 7 terabytes of data that Havard grads stuffed into one gram of DNA in the link I provided above.

That capability could not have happened by chance in trillions of years. You are just not dealing with the problem squarely.

Two of England’s leading evolutionist scientists, *Hoyle and *Wickramasinghe, working independently of each other, came to the same conclusion: The chance of life appearing spontaneously from non-life in the universe is effectively zero! (*Fred Hoyle and *C. Wickramasinghe, Evolution from Space). One of these researchers is an agnostic and the other a Buddhist; yet both decided from their analyses that the origin of life demands the existence of God to have created it.

The London Daily Express (August 14, 1981) put the conclusion of these two scientists into headlines: "Two skeptical scientists put their heads together and reached an amazing conclusion: There must be a God." *Hoyle and *Wickramasinghe concluded in their book that the probability of producing life, anywhere in the universe from evolutionary processes, was as reasonable as getting a fully operational Boeing 747 jumbo jet from a tornado going through a junkyard (*Fred Hoyle, Science, November 12, 1981, p. 105).

These statements were made by top scientists decades ago. The (millions and billions of years did it) argument that you rely upon is becoming increasingly isolated and is already so far out of the realm of possibility as to warrant no serious consideration.

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

Snare and a Racket,

I think that it is fair to say that science has proven that there exists (and not just an illusion or perception of existence) incredibly complex coding languages as well as a biological storage capability that far excedes anything we humans have to date been able to come up with or even hardly imagine. Furthermore, the foundational cornerstone of CHANCE that underpines a naturalistic worldview just gets buried deeper and deeper under the new discoveries of the complexity of how we are existing.

Where did this vast information and complicated storage architecture come from?

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

Snare and a racket says:

Some believe it happened elsewhere (panspermia) and that simple life evolved in another enviroment in space

So your Space Daddy did it? Nevermind, the problem I have is with your use of the word "simple" to describe ANY life, no matter how minute.

Let's switch gears a little. Some guys over at Harvard have been quite busy studying the illusion of design that you believe really isn't there, and have stuffed

700 terabytes of data into a single gram of DNA.

That's quite a "perception" of design wouldn't you say? Where did all the vast coding and language capability come from?

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

Snare and Racket tries to solve this problem by imagining its all in our perception, it's an illusion of a code based on our perception and not actually a code itself:

To call this a code, is to misunderstand what just happened ! WE MADE THE CODE to differentiate things we observed.

Bill Gates calls it this:

“DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.” ― Bill Gates , The Road Ahead

Whom should we believe? Snare and a Racket or Bill Gates?

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

we know enough, to make a living cell

Not even close .... once you get past the hype

"In other words, once the synthetic M mycoides genome is introduced in the bacterial cell, it transforms into an M mycoides. When it replicates, the off-springs too are M mycoides, carrying copies of the man-made genome. Venter believes, for all practical purposes, this is synthetic life. But other experts are saying that though the cell's control station is artificial, the cell itself isn't. Neither is it a new form of life —the artificial genome is an exact replica of a M mycoides genome."

So, where did all the coding come from in this example? Answer: From a mind. Language and information codes come from minds.

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

So where did the code come from before the "big squeeze" as you put it?

Cofty, they just got the human genome mapped 13 years ago. In 13 years the "junk" went from 98% to 20%. Where do you think the percentage of "junk" will be in 13 more years?

But this all a red herring anyway.

Where did the sophisticated coding languages come from? While you are contemplating that, imagine all the complex hardware needed to read, copy, repair and dissiminate that information. Where did that come from?

OMG - IT'S BEAUTIFUL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y

Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; - Ps. 100:3

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

The term Junk DNA" has already been abandoned Cofty. A few ideologicaly driven people were able to use the term junk DNA for a few years because it suited their rhetoric. This is no longer the case.

"For years, the vast stretches of DNA between our 20,000 or so protein-coding genes – more than 98% of the genetic sequence inside each of our cells – was written off as "junk" DNA. Already falling out of favour in recent years, this concept will now, with Encode's work, be consigned to the history books.

Encode is the largest single update to the data from the human genome since its final draft was published in 2003 and the first systematic attempt to work out what the DNA outside protein-coding genes does. The researchers found that it is far from useless: within these regions they have identified more than 10,000 new "genes" that code for components that control how the more familiar protein-coding genes work. Up to 18% of our DNA sequence is involved in regulating the less than 2% of the DNA that codes for proteins. In total, Encode scientists say, about 80% of the DNA sequence can be assigned some sort of biochemical function."

Notwithstanding this outdated argument; my original question is where did all this coding originally come from? Any ideas?

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

The odds of the chance formation of just one function of DNA - much less all of the applications of DNA - are so remote, they are far beyond statistical zero which is 10 with 50 zeros . The chance formation of DNA has been calculated at 10 89190 zeros

"This means that 10 with 1089190 exponential zeros DNA molecules, on average, must form to provide the one chance of forming the specific DNA sequence necessary to code 124 proteins. 10 with 89190 exponential zeros DNAs would weigh 10 with 89147 exponential zeros MORE than the earth ... A quantity of DNA this colossal could never have been formed."

- R.L. Wysong, The Creation Evolution Controversy, (Inquiry Press, Midland MI, 1976) p.115, as quoted in The Evolution Handbook(Evolution Facts, Inc., Altamont TN, 2001) p. 261.

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

Bohn,

On another thread, we've already looked at how after thousands of generations this bacteria is STILL BACTERIA. This does not address the ORIGIN of the coding language, which is the subject of this thread. Where did the coding language come from?

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

A few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another DNA code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered. This newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work. As I noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the DNA storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times! With this new coding language discovery, it appears that this capacity was under-estimated.

“DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.” ― Bill Gates, The Road Ahead

Some theoretical scientists would have us believe that the most sophisticated code language(s) known to the most brilliant minds on earth just appeared out of rocks and mud.

When Darwin promoted his theory in the mid 19th century it was assumed that the cell performed a few simple chemical reactions and was not much different than some kind of chemical goo that got its start in a lightning storm. Now we know that the cell has hundreds of irreducible complex interdependent parts and that the computerized guidance system is more complex than anything we can in all our wisdom hardly imagine, much less devise. This is not even mentioning the biological hardware machinery needed to run such coding languages.

Where did all this coding language come from?