Posts by IWant2Know

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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Vanderhoven7 said:

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Christ's kingdom was set up after His Ascension and Glorification. Nothing to do with the Watchtower version of the kingdom

I have a question: So, why is the world still messed up?

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Who will be killed at Armageddon?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

if the current doctrine is that only baptised witnesses are going to survive and everyone else burns them what about this new update new light that some from before the flood and sodomites will be resurrected?.

but didn’t he mention at the agm something about there is no point jehovah killing them and then resurrecting them again?

it seems they are confused about what they teach and that’s why brother jackson joked about “is this what we used to believe or what we believe now?”.

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ExBethelitenowPIMA said:

- If the current doctrine is that only baptised witnesses are going to survive and everyone else burns them what about this new update new light that some from before the flood and Sodomites will be resurrected?
- but didn’t he mention at the AGM something about there is no point Jehovah killing them and then resurrecting them again?
- It seems they are confused about what they teach and that’s why brother Jackson joked about “is this what we used to believe or what we believe now?”

Really? He actually said that?

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Rape you need 2 witnesses and don't call the cops! Crazy!

by Witness 007 in

are we a cult?

well the "truth" tells us that a old jewish 2 witness rule means any rape or paedophile is free to rape in our organisation.

in no circumstances would there be a second witness.

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Balaamsass2 said:

And the amazing thing is the full context of the bible verse says if the rape occurred and no one could "hear the victim screams" ...only ONE witness..(the victim) was enough.

Which verse are you referring to?

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

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Reasonfirst said:

Final comment:
As you say, "Well, it sounds like Isaiah 40:29-31 didn't help him since I'm pretty such most JWs have tried to apply those verses to themselves."
Of course, it's not just the Isaiah text that promises help. And, my friend did think that he had changed, other wise he claims he would never have married.
Likely, he merely suppressed his same sex desires, if something is part of us (whatever the causes of homosexual desire) it would indeed take a miracle to change, and miracles are rationed in today's world.

Well, interestingly, that's what some gay (or allegedly formerly gay) PIMI JWs that I've actually talked to have claimed happened to them, that they changed sexual orientation.

Even the topic of this thread, that homosexuals must change has a problem, many cultures do not condemn same sex activity. Some years back, during the Asian history degree I studied. One of the lecturers has been studying, is the Japanese movement called Shonen Ai. Last century, a number of Japanese women, dissatisfied with traditional Japanese marriage relationships, began studying gay relationships. Developing out of that are images called yaoi, and illustrated literature called Mangas. These are now known throughout the world, with millions of readers in most languages. The fans of that genre are mostly young, and I'm wondering to what extent that genre is responsible for changing attitudes towards gay people

Well, that's fascinating. Also, I had never heard of that before. Plus, thank you for your comments.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

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Reasonfirst said:

I'm not sure what a 100% homosexual person is like, or desires.

Well, it's just what it says it is: 100%. Kind of like what you said about the linear scale, which to me means that guys can't get it up when it comes to women. And I'm guessing it's the same for gay women who can't get sexually aroused by men, but only women. Although, a 100% gay woman could fake it, but a 100% gay man couldn't.

I think it likely that some gay guys have successfully lived either a celibate life, or a successfully married to a woman life.

I don't think that no one is disputing that.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

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IWant2Know said:

Also, if you or someone else have never heard of that concept, I'm going to try and post this video at this forum (for the first time) and I hope that I can get it to start at 1:06. But listen to it until 1:59.
(1906) What Happens When You Take Testosterone? - YouTube

I wonder if Adam had a line on his ball sack. lol

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

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Reasonfirst said:

As to specific sexual desire, I think that rather than categorised into groups like gay, straight and Bi, maybe its lineal scattered along a kind of continuum from exclusively gay to exclusively str8, with a large majority on the str8 end.

Yes, I agree. And from what I know about that, it's called sexual fluidity.

We likely do not know enough about this topic to be dogmatic as to how it operates (works).

I don't know about that. Because for myself, after I had learned about how we all develop as embryos, I was pretty convinced that sexual fluidity and sexual orientation ambiguity and even sexual physical ambiguity (such as those who are intersex) among people is because we all start off as girls.

Also, if you or someone else have never heard of that concept, I'm going to try and post this video at this forum (for the first time) and I hope that I can get it to start at 1:06. But listen to it until 1:59.

https://youtu.be/cX0MNCQvBt8?si=ICJXzzhjr2ER1A0Y&t=66

And that seems to help me to understand why many (but not all) gay men and women often have characteristics of their opposite sex. Because I don't think that they (or at least most of them) are like that because they're trying to make fashion statements or are trying to be socially rebellious. But I just think it's natural for them to look and dress a certain way.

B.O.Y.'s got a job ahead of him, explaining why he did that.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!I don't know. Because I thought that Stephen Lett has stated that anything that's not 'straight' in the new system has to either shape up or ship out. lol (start at 1:34)

https://youtu.be/GYU3r3VQwSo?si=Pr3kyQogYoa47t-C&t=94

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

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Kosonen said:

One has to realize the seriousness of the situation and make it a priority to overcome. If we just pray and hope Jehovah will solve this for us without us putting in effort, that won't work. To overcome different kind of sins, we need to understand the seriousness of sin and really want to overcome it and say it in prayer to Jehovah God. And continue doing it day after day.
We should ask God to make us so busy in good things so that we would not have time to think about sins. That is a good remedy for keeping sins out of the mind.

Sorry, but you're preaching to someone who was once in the choir (figuratively).

Matthew 7:7“Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you; 8 for everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened.

No disrespect intended, but, "Ha!"But thank you for trying to help.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

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Kosonen said:

If he really wants to overcome his homosexual feelings and thoughts, he should confess in prayer to Jehovah God about it and ask for God's help in the name of Jesus Christ, what ever God could provide. And he should continue to do that everyday for a while, maybe for 100 days and see if there is any improvement.

So, do you know anything about that personally? Also, it's interesting how other people don't think that gay JWs or gay former JWs have never tried that. Because from what I've experienced and from what I know about JWs (gay or straight) who I knew during the time that I was one, people who become JWs are VERY serious and sincere about their faith and will bend over backwards to try to conform to it and stay in it. Because I don't think people take becoming a JW very nonchalantly.

But then again, I don't know because the longer that I live, the more that I learn that people are 'different' in a lot of ways from one another, and one really never knows what another person's true motivations and feelings are.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

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Kosonen said:

No I don't. My wife is still active JW. And she goes to the meeting with my 4 children who are 11 -24 years old. Our relation has been most of the time very tense since I was disfellowshipped. But for the past year our relation has improved significantly. That has made daily life much better.

I can only imagine how difficult that would be, however, I'm glad to hear that things are getting better.