Posts by Yura Ivanova

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WTBTS Elder & Ministerial Servant Problems

by JW GoneBad in

i attended a recent ministerial servant k m school on the east coast and the main school instructor mentioned among other things (part entitled: 'objective of the km school course') that the total number of ministerial servants is seriously less than it should be.

in times past the ratio of m ss to elders was much more than it is today.. in the u.s. apparently the total number of elders is 88,500+ as opposed to m ss 65,000. the numbers show & numbers don't lie: the society is running out of spiritual men.

the instructor stated that this is a new downward trend that has (in so many words) the society worried.. the next speaker (part entitled: 'why we must be spiritual men') added that in his years as a traveling servant the pool of m ss has always been much, much larger than it is today.

Yura Ivanova

The only spirit they are likely to be filled up with is that of Johnny Walker or Jack Daniels. Appointments to do God's will comes from God. Those who are Christ's are in his hand and are under his control. You all know how these men operate, would you say that they are God's and Christ's? Yeah, they do have a spirit, and a very mean one at that. I have seen worldly people (so called) act in a more civilised fashion than that of these men.

With disfellowshipping: one has the right of appeal within 7 days, but if God really had ordained disfellowshipping of individulas (even those who spoke out in truth against the Watchtower Bible and Tract Cult), then why need for an appeal? Surely God is always right?

The men of the Watchtower are appointed by men of the Watchtower. Nothing to do with God, and when you look at some who are appointed, then one really has to question where these appointments really do come from.

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What were your favorite assembly foods?

by NoRegrets in

so i'm young enough to not remember having hot prepared meals at assemblies, but heard all about it from my parents and the like.

but what i do remember were all of the cold sandwiches and institutional snacks and soda.

remember the food tickets we started to use?

Yura Ivanova

Certainly none of the dishes dished up by the not so faithful or discreet kitchen slave of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Cult............yeeeeeeesh

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Whatever happened to the "Fall of Babylon the Great" and the "drying up of the churches?

by villagegirl in

i am from the era of the babylon book, and all the wt predictions that the churches of christendom would "dry up".

the book babylone the great has fallen god's kingdom rules, said people would leave the churches of christendom, in droves and the ministers would have no more people in their churches while "god's organization" would see a tremendous increase, a huge overflowing great crowd, all streaming into the watchtower and coming to the "faithful and discreet slave" for instructions.

thirty years ago there were six million jw's , today after the "great increase", and " great crowd" is now ?

Yura Ivanova

P.S

I think about some 2 million JW'S have left since the year 2000. The real number that are active might only be about 3.5-4.5 million. Next year will be 2014, how will they explain away the Generation of 1914 that would not pass away until all the things Christ spoke of had taken place? What if the Generation Christ has in mind not only a very future one, but one that will witness all these things taking place in Israel when the end time does begin? How can the Watchtower explain it?

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Whatever happened to the "Fall of Babylon the Great" and the "drying up of the churches?

by villagegirl in

i am from the era of the babylon book, and all the wt predictions that the churches of christendom would "dry up".

the book babylone the great has fallen god's kingdom rules, said people would leave the churches of christendom, in droves and the ministers would have no more people in their churches while "god's organization" would see a tremendous increase, a huge overflowing great crowd, all streaming into the watchtower and coming to the "faithful and discreet slave" for instructions.

thirty years ago there were six million jw's , today after the "great increase", and " great crowd" is now ?

Yura Ivanova

Mystery Babylons (Shinar: Iraq) Fall still future, at tail end of the 4th and Final Kingdom. The Waters (Euphrates) being dried up is not anything to do with Churches, but the River Euphrates, for it will be dried up prior to Babylon the Greats destruction at hands of Kings of East (Persia: Modern day Iran) and the North (Media: Modern day Kurdistan).

None of these prophecies have anything to do with the Watchtower. They are just another mainstream religion under control of UN.

The Time of the End is what happens during last 3.5 years of mankinds history at the tail end of the 4th and final Kingdom that will be based in the Middle East. Its a divided Kingdom between the Kings of the North (Assyria) and the South (Egypt). Antichrist, or the man of sin is not from America, the UN, but from Assyria. He is the 3rd and Final King of Babylon.

Yes, we are nearing an end, but not the Final and concluding one, and not the one predicted one the JW's dream of. Its only the end of the rule of Grecian Empire.

The Watchtower do not figure in Bible Prophecy, and are only an insidious cult that is designed to detroy the faith of everyone else.

Christ has come once. There is no invisible return between the 1st coming and 2nd and final arrival.

The 144000 are still future. The 144000 come through the great tribulation alongside that of the great crowd.

No one goes to heaven. Heaven is not destination of true christians.

Jesus is not God, a god or an Angel. He was not in existence before all things. He is not the first born of all things, but of the New Creation and the Ages to come. The prophets came first before Christ, not other way around. He was just a man and nothing else. Jesus is the heir of all things. If he is God or a god, the how can he be heir?

Jehovahs witnesses are really dangerous. Those that have gotten out. Consider yourselves very lucky.

Life doesnt cenrte on having to do this, or that, or between man and man and God. Its by Grace and each one must have his own relationship with God.

As for Revelation, still future. The prophecies have nothing to do with 1921, and the two witnesses are not Rutherford and co..................its all wacky theology.

For those of you who are out, good on you, you had a very lucky escape, and rebuild whats left over in your lives. Its only a matter of time when the Watchtower will collapse. All Cults like it have a life cycle. Pity though for those that are still trapped in it and still believe the bullshit.

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World Could End Soon (Oh, Crap)

by metatron in

jw
friends

i hate gloom and doom but sadly..... http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-solar-storms-20120505,0,6214500.story?page=2&sc=7369001384796169482.

this is no laughing matter.

a major cme or flare could wipe out civilization by destroying power grids everywhere.. this is why i get so angry about global warming hysteria - there are far more serious threats that could emerge in months, not decades ahead.. i also understand that a small asteroid is scheduled to come breathtakingly close to hitting earth in two years.

Yura Ivanova

World's End, very far away.

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"REVELATION BOOK" Which Interpretations Are The Most Wacky?

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

you studied the revelation book, two, three or four times?

what is the worst interpretation of a chapter and verse, of this book?.

the cleaning of the society in 1917-1919 by jesus christ?

Yura Ivanova

Revelation, I think its still very far away, and something that will happen long after we are dead and gone, but in saying that, considering how things are going for the Watchtower, they will be long dead before we are, and thats long before the End Time and Armageddon come.

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"REVELATION BOOK" Which Interpretations Are The Most Wacky?

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

you studied the revelation book, two, three or four times?

what is the worst interpretation of a chapter and verse, of this book?.

the cleaning of the society in 1917-1919 by jesus christ?

Yura Ivanova

Like all the other crap they spew out, the book has no relevance whatsoever. Cedars, you are right, the Two Witnesses, their interpretation of 1260 days, its all BS, and the book was basically written so they could write themselves into Bible Prophecy. Just as this article was being written by you here, I was writing again on the 7 Angels, who are not the Elders. Would anyone who is in Christs hand, and who works under his influence, do the things these Elders have done? Spew out false prophecy, cover up child abuse, break up Marriages. God's Orgaization? Aye, right ye are, pull the other one it has bells on it.

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How Can Members of JWN Be Classified as Apostates When They Are Only Telling The Story as it Really is?

by Yura Ivanova in

this term apostates, sure there are many that [deviate] from the [true] message.. but how can those that sit in the pews be the ones that can be called apostates if they stand up and tell it like it is?.

apostate, its just [another] of [many] labels that are used by the watchtower so as to instill fear, so that no one will question the establishment.. but, jesus and others before him rose up to tell the story how it really is, and see what happened to them, nothing has really changed, the [false] story still goes on.. but, those who have doubts, know that the watchtower is full of shit nonsense, my question is, why are you still there?

will it get you anywhere by remaining?

Yura Ivanova

They were banned in 3 states, now they are banned in all states in the RF. They cant go door to door, they cant carry a Bible or WT literature, and cant speak unless spoken to. Its like this now in Hong Kong as well. Its a bit like the French situation after they wouldnt pay their taxes. I dont speak Russian, only a little, live in a small place, so everybody knows me, I am the only foreigner, and the WT, being as they are, sent their litle dogs to see me on many occassions, the last time i lost it with them and told them the next time i would call the Militia [Police]. They understood this because the guy that came could speak English, and I think, no matter where you go in the world, that everyone knows what FUCK OFF means.

Putin was re-elected in January, and was sworn back into office 2 days ago, it will only get tougher. Though Russia seems to be like Europe more and more now, Russia doesnt tolerate dangerous cults and Russia has demonstrated this in banning the Watchtower, and I know 3 representatives from St Petersburg have been deported.

Last year, David Semen[onion] made a video in response to Russias action, guess what? Russia doesnt give a fuck about the Watchtower, and neither do I.

The Government in Europe and Ameri a should follow suit and take action especially where the lives of youngsters are involved, but as you all know, the death and decline has begun and only a matter of time before the rigor mortice sets in and this cult raises its ugly head no more.

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How Can Members of JWN Be Classified as Apostates When They Are Only Telling The Story as it Really is?

by Yura Ivanova in

this term apostates, sure there are many that [deviate] from the [true] message.. but how can those that sit in the pews be the ones that can be called apostates if they stand up and tell it like it is?.

apostate, its just [another] of [many] labels that are used by the watchtower so as to instill fear, so that no one will question the establishment.. but, jesus and others before him rose up to tell the story how it really is, and see what happened to them, nothing has really changed, the [false] story still goes on.. but, those who have doubts, know that the watchtower is full of shit nonsense, my question is, why are you still there?

will it get you anywhere by remaining?

Yura Ivanova

Blond Moment, I will look at your videos, and if I can, I will use them on my own blog.

By the way, the Watchtower is GOING DOWN BIG TIME here in Russia, and REPRESENTATIVES from the Branch office have got off LIGHTLY by just being DEPORTED. The Watchtower is officially BANNED in Russia.

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How Can Members of JWN Be Classified as Apostates When They Are Only Telling The Story as it Really is?

by Yura Ivanova in

this term apostates, sure there are many that [deviate] from the [true] message.. but how can those that sit in the pews be the ones that can be called apostates if they stand up and tell it like it is?.

apostate, its just [another] of [many] labels that are used by the watchtower so as to instill fear, so that no one will question the establishment.. but, jesus and others before him rose up to tell the story how it really is, and see what happened to them, nothing has really changed, the [false] story still goes on.. but, those who have doubts, know that the watchtower is full of shit nonsense, my question is, why are you still there?

will it get you anywhere by remaining?

Yura Ivanova

I agree with you all 100%, but it is the Watchtower that should be wearing the label, how can someone who speaks the truth in the face of flasehood rightly be called apostate?

I know, and associate with all your pain and grief, but I too have suffered and lost and have been subjected to all manner of lies, but this thing from hell has had its day, and ours is coming when we witness its collapse, and not before time, but this collpase has nothing to do with the end of time, and I wonder how these demons from hell will explain away to their follwers how Dog's [chosen] Organization collapsed and all without Armageddon coming? But, I think that many are waking up to the truth about the truth.

But, just to Ice the Cake, we need one really big explosive and exposive case so as to make that certainty come true.

This may be my last time posting, not only is my health very bad, but I am off to not so calm waters, and where posting or communicating may be very difficult.

I am happy to be out of Dog's Organization, and have never looked back. I lost a lot, but have met someone new, and we will marry, despite my now rapidly ailing health.

Yeah, the Borg screwed my life and family up, but I learned from it in a very big way, and also from other EXJW members that have suffered greatly, what a sad and painful way to pay attention to a wake up call.

My heart goes out to all those on here that have suffered greatly. You are not Apostates, but you are the real heroes that had the guts to stand up and say no, regardless of the cost.