Earnest, thanks for sharing that quote. My memory is not always so reliable. I noticed on the WT website they revised the 1978 brochure in 1979. I don't see the text to either available to compare. Not really important just curious if I'm just not doing something right.
peacefulpete
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Who will Survive Armageddon?
by Vanderhoven7 inbreaking news....there is hope for good hearted non-jws!!!.
according to sergio:.
are jehovah's witnesses the only ones to be saved during the end time?.
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Who will Survive Armageddon?
by Vanderhoven7 inbreaking news....there is hope for good hearted non-jws!!!.
according to sergio:.
are jehovah's witnesses the only ones to be saved during the end time?.
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peacefulpete
Wow, that pretty much sounds like this guy (who is Sergio?) is trying to say yes and no at the same time. The quotes he cites leave open the "potential" that unbaptized minors may be allowed to live and maybe some with metal ret..rdation. . That's about all.
When he says...Notice that these quotes leave the door open to the possibility that even people who have listened to our message and rejected it, may survive Armageddon.
He is riffing and probably will trigger an article rebutting this apostate idea.
Back in the 80's there was a brochure (I think it was the JW in 20th century) that made an exciting declaration that was news to us, that JWs do not believe only they would survive because God was the judge. It was for public consumption, even then we knew that, and as I recall (??) they ended the brochure or edited it soon thereafter. A decade or so before that there was a comment that used Romans 2:15,16 that suggested people would be judged by their conscience in Armageddon. I think both comments are expunged from the digital rewrites.
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...AN ELEPHANT in my pajamas (an alternative way of seeing the world)
by Terry inan elephant in my pajamas.
by the age of 2, i began noticing comedy was a verbal violation of logic.. in fact, groucho marx taught me an important way of applying my thinking in terms of logic and humor.
by the age of 2, i had been taught to develop a bias toward “what was obviously logical” and to omit all else.. that was a social bias.
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peacefulpete
Nice.
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New "thinking" on WHY Jesus cried!
by BoogerMan inwe used to believe it was because of seeing the others' intense grief at bereavement:.
bhs chap.
7 p. 72 par.
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peacefulpete
The subtle and not so subtle alterations to the basic script of Mark found in the later revisions we call Gospels were made with theological purpose. First century Christians differed on how to understand the lead character, Jesus. A huge percentage held what was later labeled Docetic views of the Christ. He was a spirit that appeared to be human much like angels had done in the OT. As such he always had a perspective that made him somewhat insolated from earthly suffering and weakness. Mark had passages that lent to either a human Jesus or a Docetic one leading later writers and redactors to bring theologically motivated revisions. The eventually prevailing view was that Docetists were wrong. Jesus was completely human. Jesus now had to more explicitly eat and weep and be truly human as well offer other explanations to "clarify" Mark.
G.Luke appears to be the first to have Jesus weep, over Jerusalem in this sole example. The emphasis of his humanity does cause some tension to the G.Mark story. How can he do things like walk on water and appear to be a ghost for example. The writer of G.Luke simply drops that walking on water story as a solution.
How can he be an emanation from God like G.John says and also be given to emotions of human weakness? G.John goes to great pains in crafting his Lazarus resurrection story (probably inspired by Luke 7 and Luke 16 parable) to insist Jesus is not personally grieving for Lazarus but empathetic of those who are. In his mind both elements are vital. (11:4,6,15) That is, above actual sadness but yet compassionate toward the suffering of humans. Interestingly, the Greek words translated as "deeply moved " or "groaned in spirit" in John 11 carry the sense of strong emotion but not necessarily sadness. It otherwise is translated as "stearnly" or "scoldingly" (i.e.. Matt 9:30, Mark 14:5)
It was a theological balancing act, a deity strong and capable but yet empathetic and human.
The newest WT take by one of the speakers (had no desire to watch) likely wasn't intended to be a change in official interpretation but just another effort to sell their religion to grieving listeners.
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Dr. Bart Ehrman
by truth_b_known indr. bart ehrman is a bible scholar who wrote such books as misquoting jesus: the story behind who changed the bible and why and how jesus became god: the exaltation of a jewish preacher from galilee.. i found this interview with dr. ehrman fascinating.
notice are about the 23:35 time stamp one example of many problems with errors in the bible and its many translations.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8evuuadoey.
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peacefulpete
Science is a methodology not a bunch of people with degrees. Science works despite the humans who do it because of the needs for peer review and repeatability or at least a sound inductive logic that withstands scrutiny in matters of history and cutting edge physics for example.
Popular media stories inevitably over state the implications of every new twist or discovery . How many times statements like "rethink everything" or "overturns" are used when in fact the improvement in understanding may be small or a slight refinement, or in fact be simply an anomalous outcome yet to be explained.
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Dr. Bart Ehrman
by truth_b_known indr. bart ehrman is a bible scholar who wrote such books as misquoting jesus: the story behind who changed the bible and why and how jesus became god: the exaltation of a jewish preacher from galilee.. i found this interview with dr. ehrman fascinating.
notice are about the 23:35 time stamp one example of many problems with errors in the bible and its many translations.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8evuuadoey.
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peacefulpete
Ehrman has done a lot of valuable popularizing of critical scholarship. I've enjoyed many of his books, especially when I first left the church. I am disappointed by his own resolute rejection of a nonhistorical Christian origin. In debates he has shown a real lack of objectivity IMO. Even if the current proposals prove to be incorrect the research has value in understanding Christians origins. For me it's an object lesson in the need to continue the open minded humility it took to free my mind from Fundamentalism.
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Review of Wallace's Grammar
by Wonderment inreview of daniel b. wallace’s greek grammar.
daniel b[aird] wallace is professor of new testament, and author of greek grammar beyond the basics, a work first published by zondervan corporation in 1996. his work has since become a standard work in the intermediate koine greek field and has been translated into half a dozen languages.
it is said two-thirds of bible colleges today that teach the subject use the textbook.
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peacefulpete
Debates about how to interpret John 1:1 will rage on forever among sects of Christians. Clearly the author meant the Logos had all the attributes and qualities of the God his readers were previously worshiping due to being from God. On top of that he says the Son/Word created everything. Moderns without familiarity with late mystic Judaism and early Gnostic theology impose a literal/temporal perspective upon the text.
The Logos and Wisdom concepts were fully developed by the time of this writing wherein the great God used emanations OF HIMSELF to do his will. They were not 2 or 3 individuals they were one but they seemingly acted separately. The Pleroma. This was a philosophical solution to questions about how God acted remotely. He no longer need to leave heaven and walk on earth as less sophisticated theologians had assumed previously. This evolved into a trinitarian view of God that retained the same idea but polished the gnostic edges off.
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“Hanging the earth upon nothing”
by FFGhost infor those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.
the reasoning goes something like this:.
“see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.
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peacefulpete
Peacefulpete: You are quite mistaken here.
Strongs says..............
chug: a circle -- circle, circuit, compass. Is 40:22
"sits above the circle of the earth...spreads heavens like a tent"
The imagery of a tent spanning over a coin shaped flat earth is much easier to imagine than a tent over a ball. Sitting above the earth also fits this flat earth model better. Why would god sit above the north pole (which they did not know existed) to see the people of the earth? at best he would see the northern hemisphere.
dur: a circle, ball.....Is 22:18
He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball (Dur) into a large country...
Obviously both words can mean, round, all around, circle, circuit. However the same book uses dur when the author wishes to describe a ball. It's all not really worth arguing about and no one would feel the need to if believers didn't keep repeating the same tired old canards they had been told and accepted unquestioningly.
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Crypto Prophetic dreams
by peacefulpete ini stumbled upon this blog.
i wish it was a joke but it seems to be for real.
this blogger seems completed enchanted by this young leather jacketed hipster pastor that has dreams from jesus about crypto currency among other things.
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peacefulpete
I stumbled upon this blog. I wish it was a joke but it seems to be for real. This blogger seems completed enchanted by this young leather jacketed hipster pastor that has dreams from Jesus about crypto currency among other things. Of course you can subscribe.
My kneejerk reaction was "what idiot would believe that?", then I remember believing in talking snakes and donkeys and satellites being signs in the heavens. Pot calling kettle black.
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“Hanging the earth upon nothing”
by FFGhost infor those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.
the reasoning goes something like this:.
“see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.
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peacefulpete
Much like the fellow looking up and seeing no strings holding up the earth so the man who uses the idiom "circle of the earth" is someone looking around. The land around us is always a circle.