Posts by peacefulpete

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This is a no brainer

by oncebitten in

the insertion of jehovah into the nt is only understandable to me if there was an ot quote.

however by far the vast majority of the time this is not the case.

instead we see clear bias in the nwt.

Q about Jesus' sacrifice

by oncebitten in

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i have several jw family members.

i have been shunned many years now.

i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.

Yes, As I understood it, one of the core tenants of WT theology has been that Jesus died for Adam's sin. This gave Christians the opportunity to have their sins forgiven conditioned upon works and piety. The numerous passages in the NT that describe forgiveness are applied to the 144k alone as having been credited with purity (forgiveness) while yet in a sinful/human body. However even this forgiveness is though of as a moving condition, that is, sins up to that moment are forgiven, but future forgiveness is predicate upon continued 'faithfulness'. They do not have a concept of once-and-done 'justification.'

Since that is reserved for the 144k, the WT teaches that, as a technical matter, the Other Sheep are not credited with forgiveness till the end of the 1000 year reign if they prove worthy and reach perfection.

Many statements in the literature will say, forgiveness is 'possible' and lead a casual reader to believe they teach present forgiveness for Other Sheep.

As regards the Romans 6 passage. It is lifted from context by the WT to suggest that death erased a sinful record. This effectively negates the whole doctrine of Christ ransom. In context the author is, through an admittedly convoluted means, saying baptism into Christ's death meant becoming a slave of Christ, but also dead to sin. In this way by baptism, which is equated to death, frees from sin. In contrast those who are slaves of 'Sin' get only death as a 'wage' and are only freed from its mastery by dying.

As has been said the whole concept of the resurrection as a instrument of justice, requires some sort of post-death-judgment. This is clearly stated in John and Rev.

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VERY NEW AT THIS BUT LOST IN SPACE

by stephenlettclownface in

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i apologize if this post ends up in the wrong place.

i have been a lurker here for several years.

i thoroughly enjoy this site, have for years, and read something or another on this site many times a week.

peacefulpete

Welcome. Lots of positive comments.

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Memorial of Jesus' death

by Listener in

i was listening to a youtube where a pastor relates his experience of attending a jw memorial.

he said something that was profound to me.. "how do you have a memorial for someone alive?".

they use this phrase all the time, even printing thousands and thousands of invitations to invite everyone to join them in doing this.. i googled that phrase to see what other christian church's use this phrase and was astounded to see that at least the first two pages of results are in relation to jw's only..

peacefulpete

Memorial vs. Commemoration. Agreed the word choice is odd.

In today's parlance, a "celebration of life" might be more in keeping with traditional Christian theology.

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Out of the Mouths of Vampires

by peacefulpete in

one of the most quoted and loved passages of the bible has an unexpected textual history.

at matt 21:16 jesus is made to say:.

have you never read, ‘from the mouths of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise for yourself’?”.

peacefulpete

regarding the vampire in the title, there was no intention of any antisemitic allusion. It was a pop culture reference.

It didn't occur to me the possibility of it being interpreted that way. sorry if I offended.

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Out of the Mouths of Vampires

by peacefulpete in

one of the most quoted and loved passages of the bible has an unexpected textual history.

at matt 21:16 jesus is made to say:.

have you never read, ‘from the mouths of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise for yourself’?”.

peacefulpete

You cannot recreate something that did not come from your culture and your language. You cannot tell Native American people that they got their myths wrong or Japanese that you know more about Shinto than they do, especially when you don't read or understand their languages or lived their lives or practiced their religions. Can you imagine what you must sound like to me?

Surely you are not suggesting a modern Jew has a monopoly on researching thousands year old forms of Judaism. Can you imagine what you must sound like to me?

The idea that you think Mark is a Catholic apologist like Jimmy Akin makes me realize why you would think I don't know what I don't know what I am talking about.

I argued just the opposite. Mark is not an apologist as is evidenced by his work.

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Out of the Mouths of Vampires

by peacefulpete in

one of the most quoted and loved passages of the bible has an unexpected textual history.

at matt 21:16 jesus is made to say:.

have you never read, ‘from the mouths of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise for yourself’?”.

peacefulpete

Either you are hurt somewhere by what I wrote or upset, because it is obviously apparent that I did read it. I quoted from it, remember?

Ah, no. I was not hurt or upset. I'm still processing your comments. I did read your statement...

This means that Psalm 8 has nothing to do with the myth even though a word evolved from the idea.

...to mean he has not made this connection, and as erroneously suggesting the whole argument is hinged upon the one word.

You seem to be saying: Mark as a scholar, raised as Catholic, has a colored take on the Psalm. He of theological necessity sees it as related to creation mythology involving ancient deities so as to reinterpret it as related to Catholic Christology. Would you also suppose his books have similarly imagined such a link for the same undelaying premise? I read them many years ago and never saw a hint of that.

If you do, do you interpret any attempt at form criticism of ancient poetry as a waste of time, perhaps even disingenuous? I'm guessing not but I'm, as I said, I'm processing your comments.

Have I understood your position correctly? And regards my naivety, I've been around enough to know a thing or two. Pretend you are having a discussion with a peer.

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Out of the Mouths of Vampires

by peacefulpete in

one of the most quoted and loved passages of the bible has an unexpected textual history.

at matt 21:16 jesus is made to say:.

have you never read, ‘from the mouths of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise for yourself’?”.

peacefulpete

Halcon....typed communication has many drawbacks. I was referring to Mark's Catholicism in that last comment . I think we agreed his identifying as a Catholic hasn't obscured his objectivity. I do feel he is misreading Mark's article or not reading it at all. Mark is quite clear he sees a related parallel myth to the Ugaritic.

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Out of the Mouths of Vampires

by peacefulpete in

one of the most quoted and loved passages of the bible has an unexpected textual history.

at matt 21:16 jesus is made to say:.

have you never read, ‘from the mouths of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise for yourself’?”.

peacefulpete

We are saying the same thing. Perhaps I should have went with my first thought and said Mark was Catholic like you are Jewish. But wasn't sure if that was offensive.

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So Let's Say Bigger Change Happens

by peacefulpete in

if a change in the blood policy happens, who will be more upset, jws or former jws?

i suspect the latter.

when the beard thing went down, jw's seem to immediately embrace it, whereas many former jw's have been brooding about it.. did it take away a pet gripe we had?.

peacefulpete

NotJacob....for every a-hole there are a dozen people who care and feel like you. The a-holes just get all the attention.