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peacefulpete
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apollonius of tyana clips
by peacefulpete inapollonius of tyana
"apollonius of tyana in cappadocia (asia minor) was a neophyagorean sage: he followed the teachings of the philosopher pythagoras (born ca.
apollonius was born about the same time as jesus and survived until near the end of the first century c.e.
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Some thoughts on the message of doom
by JeffT inone of the recent threads on the talk about the hailstone message got me to thinking.
the problem with putting out a message like that is what to do when nothing happens.
i have to think that somebody will be asking that question.
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peacefulpete
Sorry,kinda got on a roll. Bit off topic.
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England v Ukraine
by BoogerMan inso nice to see thousands upon thousands of fighting-age ukrainian men managed to escape the war and reach wembley to support their national football team yesterday.
things must be improving, eh?.
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peacefulpete
My comment, England for the Germans, wasn't flippant, it was sobering. An aggressive nation felt justified in expanding it's empire. It was stopped by an international effort. Americans were split on whether to fully engage in the war. Many felt it wasn't our problem. I for one believe the decision to support our allies was the right one.
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England v Ukraine
by BoogerMan inso nice to see thousands upon thousands of fighting-age ukrainian men managed to escape the war and reach wembley to support their national football team yesterday.
things must be improving, eh?.
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peacefulpete
There are just too many conflicting comments to respond to. Some said let Russia seize Ukraine because is has Russian speaking people living there. Despite most all English speaking posters here came from nations that declared independence from England and are proud of the democratic freedom of expression that resulted.
Btw, we protested the entering the war against Iraq. Risked our jobs doing it. Didn't stop those determined to do it, but our consciences are clear.
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England v Ukraine
by BoogerMan inso nice to see thousands upon thousands of fighting-age ukrainian men managed to escape the war and reach wembley to support their national football team yesterday.
things must be improving, eh?.
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peacefulpete
England for the Germans.
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England v Ukraine
by BoogerMan inso nice to see thousands upon thousands of fighting-age ukrainian men managed to escape the war and reach wembley to support their national football team yesterday.
things must be improving, eh?.
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peacefulpete
Let Russia have the Russian land with the Russian people on it, the pretend borders created by the west just have to be put back to what they were.
The 100 year old Ukrainian I knew might have punched you in the face for saying that.
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England v Ukraine
by BoogerMan inso nice to see thousands upon thousands of fighting-age ukrainian men managed to escape the war and reach wembley to support their national football team yesterday.
things must be improving, eh?.
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peacefulpete
do you think national pride is a good thing?
Oh, course. It is quite natural and healthy to take pride in your culture and independence.
Blind cultlike nationalism is dangerous as it translates into bigotry or dehumanizing of others.
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Some thoughts on the message of doom
by JeffT inone of the recent threads on the talk about the hailstone message got me to thinking.
the problem with putting out a message like that is what to do when nothing happens.
i have to think that somebody will be asking that question.
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peacefulpete
Were they so driven that they dismissed something so incredible? Or was magic so common that reattaching a man's ear wasn't enough to prevent them from arresting, torturing, and murdering a literal miracle worker?
A literalist Christian reader is guilty of equal tone deafness. The pericope is again an exercise in typological reading of the OT. Thrice the expression "fulfilled" is used.
8 Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he. If you are looking for me, then let these men go.” 9 This happened so that the words he had spoken would be fulfilled: “I have not lost one of those you gave me.”
49 Every day I was with you, teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.”
54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”This is not a retelling of history, but a theological interpretation of passages (including 2Esdras see below) reimagined as prophecy.
The betrayal, the kiss, the setting in Gethsemane, the surrounding by enemies, the preservation of his followers, etc. are all from the OT.
What then was meant by Jesus stopping the sword action? The clear theological/political message is repeated twice in Mark.14:48 “Am I leading a rebellion?” said Jesus, “that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? 49 Every day I was with you, teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.”
36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
The writer of Mark is making very clear to Roman audiences that Christianity was not a threat. A timely message when it was written.
Beyond that the story is ripe with symbolism. The one hit with the sword was identified as the servant of the High Priest, (who represented the Law), fitness for high Priesthood included no bodily defect. In Josephus a High Priest was made unfit for service by having his ears removed. War, 1.13.9)
Then the possibility that slavehood is in discussion. A slave who had his right (per detail added by John) ear pierced was committed to perpetual servitude. Was this symbolism again?
How about the guy's name being included? Malchus (meaning King) was this another reference to the Law and sin no longer being King? Who knows?
But what's clear is the author's own explanation that this scene was written to both identify Jesus as the OT typological fulfillment and reassure Roman authorities they posed no threat.
Regarding the John 19:
8 Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he. If you are looking for me, then let these men go.” 9 This happened so that the words he had spoken would be fulfilled: “I have not lost one of those you gave me.”
This is another example of NT writers utilizing books regarded as apocryphal by many today.
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As for the servants whom I have given thee, there shall not one of them perish; for I will require them from among thy number.
It is also of significance that Mark, Matt nor John suggest the ear was healed. Only the writer of Luke writing well after Matt and Mark mentions a miracle. Perhaps he missed the symbolism and simply saw it as an opportunity to add another one. -
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England v Ukraine
by BoogerMan inso nice to see thousands upon thousands of fighting-age ukrainian men managed to escape the war and reach wembley to support their national football team yesterday.
things must be improving, eh?.
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Everyone knows the power of morale and emotions. Sports are a metaphor for war in many ways. It's a huge boost to national pride and cultural identity for Ukraine to have a winning team. If I was in charge of the war in Ukraine I'd absolutely promote the game.
Recall the legendary Ukrainian/German soccer match of 1942 during WW2. It is still celebrated as a huge moral victory.
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Some thoughts on the message of doom
by JeffT inone of the recent threads on the talk about the hailstone message got me to thinking.
the problem with putting out a message like that is what to do when nothing happens.
i have to think that somebody will be asking that question.
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