Posts by Phizzy

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Recently UK KH Up For Sale

by blondie in

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recently refurbished uk kh recently refurbished up for sale, tentative 500,000 pounds!https://uk.news.yahoo.com/former-jehovahs-witness-hall-conversion-040000931.html .

I love to hear this kind of news, the org. is contracting, and has been for a good few years. This K.H has been out of use since 2021 ! And Hereford is not a small place, no doubt other K.H's are available for J.W's to use, and have been since 2021, but I bet the former users have to travel further !

Of course the Org. did not hurry to sell this place by making it in to something with Apartments that people actually want to live in, and they would have car parking. No, the Org. was and is still hanging out for the maximum price.

The silly thing is the Council suggested 3 x 3 bed. Apartments, these sell for £200,000 or more in Hereford.

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The Watchtower's Distortion of Proverbs 11:9: Replacing 'Godless' with 'Apostate'

by raymond frantz in

from this week's life & ministry:.

in proverbs 11:9, the new world translation reads:.

"by his mouth the apostate brings his neighbor to ruin, but by knowledge the righteous are rescued.".

Phizzy

" The term often implies a turning away from the covenantal relationship with God, leading to a state of defilement or apostasy."

Strong's use of the word apostasy right at the end of the definition of the Hebrew word is fine, it is using the word for someone who has "turned aside" from practicing the Righteous Life expected of a worshipper of Yahweh/Jehovah.

But it is obvious why the Org. has chosen that word, as it is a Trigger Word for J.W's, to prompt them to Shun anyone who has left the Org. for whatever reason, not something Jesus did in the case of people in his day, who were rightly thought of as "apostates" because of being sinners. Jesus sat with them, ate meals with them, and lovingly tried to correct them.

Now you will be hauled in front of the Elders if you did what Jesus did, and had a meal with such people, who Jesus extended love to.

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2025MemorialTalkOutlineinEnglishandinGerman!

by Atlantis in

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2025-memorial*talk*outline*in*english*and*german.

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https://app.filemail.com/d/aekacaizpavjodx .

Phizzy

Thanks, just a glance showed me they are still totting out all the old claptrap and nonsense, from things like Adam being the first man, to their usual "explanation" of what the "Lord's Evening Meal" should be and why.

I wonder what anew convert to the J.W's thinks of this when they first hear it ? With the fairly well educated it must jar, and cause cognitive dissonance to build.

But obviously, the Org. does not want even the fairly well-educated to remain as members.

Thank you, and any others involved, again, for your efforts in providing us with actual Documents.

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Curious? How many members of this group feel we are living in the "End Times"?

by Balaamsass2 in

i like to take a peek at the kids over on reddit every week or so.. this thread caught my eye:" curious….

do any ex jw or pimo, still believe the world is ending.

i see people who have never been witnesses think that the world will end soon and they say things like “jesus is coming soon”….

Phizzy

Newton was a great Scientist, and a modest one, but he was capable of being blinded by his belief, his faith, which was of course, without evidence. For Newton, Biblical prophecy forecast the divinely-ordained events of the future.

So, he started from a false premise, as so many do on this End Times twaddle.

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Coming back after a long time...

by caballoSentado in

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hi friends,.

after some years i returned here out of curiosity, excuse my writing since my native language is spanish.

we (as a family) left the jw many over the un scandal... my children never got baptized.

Phizzy

Hi ! and thanks for your uplifting story !

" There is a better life outside the cult ", agreed, but I would put it this way :

"The only Real Life is outside of the cult, and Real Life is the only one where you can find lasting happiness and fulfillment."

All the best to you and your lovely family in the future !

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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025

by raymond frantz in

the following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.

each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.

we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.

Phizzy

" this newfound freedom only emerged after years of intense external pressure. There’s no theological revelation behind this softening. There’s just a growing pile of lawsuits and a desperate need to look less like a high-control cult and more like a mainstream faith."

Good observations there ! always moves are motivated by the desire to keep the $$$ flowing in, which is what is behind all the other latest moves, to look less like a high control cult, to the public and the Courts. Whereas nothing much has changed as to how free your mind and actions are as a J.W.

The insidious thing is that J.W's will exert pressure on others in their Congregation by shunning to some degree someone who has exercised their own conscience, made their own decision, and accepted something which is with weasel words still actually forbidden by the Org.

This goes against the words of Jesus where he plainly taught "The Law is for Man, not Man for the Law", in other words as long as a Christian does not go against the plain commands not to murder or commit adultery etc. then it is up to them and their conscience alone as to how they apply "the Law" in their own lives. Nobody else has the right to impose their conscience and ideas upon you.

But that is not what happens now , the Org. is still as much a High Control Group as it ever was.

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God’s wisdom in allowing bearded JWs July 25 Watchtower

by Listener in

the july 2025 watchtower has a paragraph that claims that it was the superior power and wisdom of jehovah that guided the gb into allowing jws to grow beards.. the study article is ‘can you still learn from basic bible teachings?’ under the subheading ‘jehovah is the creator’ paragraph 7 states-.

“ 7. what did rahela do to accept a change in direction?.

your answer.

Phizzy

from the O.P :

" It’s almost as if Jehovah is now the puppet and the GB is pulling his strings." LOL , yes what a surprise ! But that does explain why they are never proactive, never ahead on ANYTHING, but always reactive, and usually WAY too late, as in this case.

I know of a number of suitable guys who would have made good Elders, but were rejected for wearing a beard, despite having been given "counsel", so what was that "counsel" based upon ? Scripture, no, only by twisting what is said.

In 1975 a sister I knew well wrote to H.Q in N.Y. and asked about the wearing of a beard by her husband, would it preclude his being an Elder ? The reply from Bethel was that they COULD NOT MAKE RULES about dress and grooming, because different standards were found in different parts of the World. But they never made that known via the literature did they ?

The brother in question decided way back then that as in the U.K many professional men and other men well respected in society, wore beards, it was fine to do so. LOL

He was an excellent M.S, but, strangely ,never made it to Elder.

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Be Moneychangers

by peacefulpete in

there were literally hundreds of 'sayings' attributed to jesus outside the 4 gospel tradition.

many of these sayings had narrow sectarian acceptance while one 'saying' especially had near universal appeal.. "be ye skillful moneychangers.".

this is the most commonly quoted of all traditional sayings.

Phizzy

A fit metaphor from the time, a skilled money changer would have to weed out the many fake coins that passed across his table, and reject them.

It is interesting though that at this early stage the Church Fathers, and others, were very aware that the body of Scripture they used was not a collection of Works inspired by God, but men's writings from which the truth must be sorted from untruth, like a skilled money-changer.

The insistence that the "agreed" Canon of Scripture was inspired, and totally error free, must be very late ?

Thanks for Posting more fascinating info. P.P.

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philip brumley wt 7/2025 experience

by andr in

how encouraging one finds the experience of a liar.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-july-2025/the-battle-belongs-to-jehovah/.

philip brumley is a legal counsel associated with the jehovah's witnesses organization, having worked for about 40 years at their world headquarters' legal department.

Phizzy

" people not entitled to the truth " , J.W's in the literature always, IIRC, explained that as meaning following the "do not caste your pearls before swine " principle, which would apply when offering the J.W "good news" to the public.

It surely cannot be used to justify not telling the truth to a Court where you have sworn an Oath to do so !

Every legal move the org. makes, including their representatives perjuring themselves, is designed to minimise Compensation paid for by the org. itself.

They have done this, as we see from the case above, and many others, to deny rightful Compensation to the victims of Child Abuse in their midst.

They utterly disgust me.

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Curious? How many members of this group feel we are living in the "End Times"?

by Balaamsass2 in

i like to take a peek at the kids over on reddit every week or so.. this thread caught my eye:" curious….

do any ex jw or pimo, still believe the world is ending.

i see people who have never been witnesses think that the world will end soon and they say things like “jesus is coming soon”….

Phizzy

The idea of an "End Times", if based on Scripture, results from a lazy and scant reading. Every Biblical Writer that predicted such a time, insisted his predictions would be fulfilled shortly after the time he wrote them, within a few years from the time of writing, not thousands of years later.

No actual* prediction by a Bible Writer ever came true in the terms he laid down, they all failed, as did all End Times prophecies, rather spectacularly.

To look for a "Later fulfillment" of already failed predictions is silly.

* Note the word "actual" many seeming "predictions" were written after the event.