I don't believe that eitherI don't think MRP said he's been lurking 7 years. He's gone back over 7 years of posts and read them.
Neither do I.
does doing what is right in god's eyes mean we have to use only bible terms?
i know the organization is not perfect.
is there strong evidence that he has his people here on earth that although not perfect, are doing his will?
I don't believe that eitherI don't think MRP said he's been lurking 7 years. He's gone back over 7 years of posts and read them.
Neither do I.
does doing what is right in god's eyes mean we have to use only bible terms?
i know the organization is not perfect.
is there strong evidence that he has his people here on earth that although not perfect, are doing his will?
I don't believe that you've been lurking for 7 years
Neither do I.
does doing what is right in god's eyes mean we have to use only bible terms?
i know the organization is not perfect.
is there strong evidence that he has his people here on earth that although not perfect, are doing his will?
MRP: This is a discussion board which means you start a thread, you read replies and then you respond. That's why it's called a discussion board.
A person who simply starts new threads 'on the fly' is what is called a Troll in internet parlance.
So.......we look forward to reading your responses.
here is the best that i could do, but i think it gets the main points of the articles across.
i wouldn't bet my life on this translation, but i think it is good enough for our purposes.
question box.
G'day JeffT,
I'm going to be a kinda 'devil's advocate' here:
Acts 17:11 (New International Version)
11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Note: this says clearly that they were independently confirming what they were being told by one who had been designated by God as an Apostle. And they were praised for it. Maybe if the F&DS slave had a better message it could hold up to a bunch of people checking it out.
I'm sure the Borg would counter your argument by saying that in the KM they are addressing those already converted, not like the Bereans who had yet to convert. Note that the Bereans were not, at this time christians; they were examining the truthfulness of what Paul had been preaching to them, so in this respect they cannot parallel JWs today who would claim to be already christians.
are talking down about jwd?
does it even matter, or does it become a verbal war between 2 sites?.
what happens with things like this?
Don't worry, Slim, our 'innocent' min knows!
are talking down about jwd?
does it even matter, or does it become a verbal war between 2 sites?.
what happens with things like this?
http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php.
not the forum so much - didn't look at the threads much - but at the bottom it lists statistics.
my oh my, looks like robert has a following of nearly 50!!!!
Hmmm.....so we think 'size does matter', eh?
no, i'm not returning to da troof, in case i scared anyone.
but a recent thread got me thinking about this: i wonder how many people who da actually return and get reinstated, versus how many who were df'd get reinstated.
you'd think if you da'd, there's no way you'd go back.
G'day exwitless:
Congrats on a thought-provoking topic!
FWIW I've always maintained that there's a heap of difference between those who are expelled because they were "found out" and those who left because they'd found the Borg was not "Da Troof". The way I see it, the person DFed is always liable to be taken back into the fold of the congregation and accepted as "a repentant sinner" (aren't they all?) whereas the person who DA has made that deliberate course which could only be changed by a complete reversal of conviction accompanied by a "I was so terribly wrong" confession. Even then, I doubt the JC would readily accept that and even if allowed back in, I'm sure their life would be hell as they live daily under watchful eyes and constatntly hear hushed whispers.
Of course, we can easily think of exceptions. For example, a person DF for say, adultery, may later be just as convinced about the real nature of the Borg as is the person who DA; in other words, we can't generalise.
I think it safe to say though that a person DA for the 'right reasons' will never be duped into going back.
The "unforgivable sin" ? Like you say, another in the arsenal of the Borg's scare tactics. You may find it interesting to know that the expression "unforgivable sin" is not found in the Bible (not even the NWT !) . What is there is this recorded teaching of Jesus:
"Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in this age to come" - Matt. 12:32 (NIV) In the context, this is referring to attributing the source of Jesus' miracles being Satan rather than the Holy Spirit. Much has been written about what Jesus may have meant but the WTS have taken this uncertainty by adding a certain 'mysticism' to it that has the effect of being a controlling tool.
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this dude started two identical threads and nothing since. It has all the signs of Spam. It's like those highly laughable pleadings for money from Nigeria. Given the email addy he's inviting people to use, I'd have to urge caution.
Thread's locked. Let's see if 'he' reappears!
we just had our convention at the memorial colosseum in portland, or.
good old teddyj was our keynote speaker.
i can tell you right now that the ol' boy's still alive and kicking.
As a sidepoint on this:
At our church, and others I have attended, the Pray-er says beforehand what he/she will be praying for, as in "Let us pray for the world, (a prayer for the world follows) let us pray for our community, (a prayer for the community follows) let us pray for those who are sick or grieving, etc etc Then at least people's minds are focused with the one giving the prayer. Not only that but if there be one prayer you are not in harmony with, you will not be saying Amen - that's rather difficult with a lengthy, wide-ranging prayer.