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  Watchtower Lawyer speaking in US Congres commission - picture

  by Gorbatchov in

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  maybe not relevant today, just sharing one of my archive storage, this picture of jw.org lawyer philip brumley, in a joint project with scientology and other religions in 2006.. the picture was published on a scientology website, mentioning the joint project with jw.org .

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  A few unrelated thoughts not well articulated on my part.
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  Watchtower Lawyer speaking in US Congres commission - picture

  by Gorbatchov in

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  maybe not relevant today, just sharing one of my archive storage, this picture of jw.org lawyer philip brumley, in a joint project with scientology and other religions in 2006.. the picture was published on a scientology website, mentioning the joint project with jw.org .

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  I do wonder how much inter-cult networking these lawyers do.

  I wish ex-JWs, ex-Scientologists, ect... could have a huge legal department to represent them before courts and congresses.

  BTW...I suspect this is likely why Watchtower became a NGO on the UN and now of the OSCE.

  
  
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  San Diego abuse case: stay tuned. Zalkin's motion to be considered this Friday.

  by Sugar Shane in

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  zalkin proposing huge sanctions if jw leadership fails to produce documents.

  unredacted this time!

  feds need to get involved with this.

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  Any news on this?
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  Watchtower myth: God’s will discerned through committees, not individual leaders

  by Londo111 in

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  be it the governing body, or the a judicial committee of the local elder body, when a two-thirds majority vote is reached, it is viewed as god’s will, as the action of holy spirit, of jesus nudging the stars in his right hand.

  [and if i’m not mistaken, the minority is encouraged to change their vote, so that is “unanimous”.

  anthony morris alluded to this when he unsuccessfully tried to explain why the governing body is not dogmatic.

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  Another idea has occurred to me about working in a small group: human synergy.

  Music bands often have this synergy, where their creative output almost seems greater than their individual parts. Of course, very few musicians would attribute this to a divine mandate. Or perhaps this is where the Greek idea of the Muse comes from.

  Other small groups might exhibit synergy in other venues, like business, but there is nothing supernatural about it. Many hands make light work.

  Of course, the stuff the Governing Body comes up with as a small collective is so underwhelming, but in their mind they might feel the thrill of human synergy.
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  Hello

  by WITNESS-FOR-WATCHTOWER-REFORM in

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  just to say a big hello.

  i have been reading this site for some time now and have been very unhappy with some of the things emanating from watchtower head quarters in new york.

  the final straw for me is the upcoming watchtower study this weekend encouraging us to shun our own family members (our own mothers if need be) if they are disfellowshipped....a step too far for my liking.

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  WITNESS-FOR-WATCHTOWER-REFORM:

  Welcome. I'm not sure what you know or how much you've researched. There have been many people who tried to enact reforms or share info with the Governing Body. They were labeled apostates and promptly DFed.

  I encourage you to read Crisis of Conscience if you have not already.
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  A New Words With Friends Player Just Told Me That She Was a Jehovah's Witness And That's Why She's So Smart!

  by minimus in

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  i saw she went under the handle of lovejahforever.....she said she is very smart and had cleaning jobs and was going in the ministry this morning.. when she told me she looked forward to beating me (she won the first game) she sid she was smart because she's a jehovah's witness.

  my response was we will see how smart she is.. what next?

  any suggestions??

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  All those years of reading the Awake...now she has the equivalent of a PhD!
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  Watchtower myth: God’s will discerned through committees, not individual leaders

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  be it the governing body, or the a judicial committee of the local elder body, when a two-thirds majority vote is reached, it is viewed as god’s will, as the action of holy spirit, of jesus nudging the stars in his right hand.

  [and if i’m not mistaken, the minority is encouraged to change their vote, so that is “unanimous”.

  anthony morris alluded to this when he unsuccessfully tried to explain why the governing body is not dogmatic.

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  "They are just imperfect men. They never claimed to be infallible! Proverbs 4:18!"

  But at the same time they are Spirit-directed and whatever they currently teach is "food at the proper time".

  It's a sweet system they've set up.

  As Lieu said: “all the authority but none of the responsibility".
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  Watchtower myth: God’s will discerned through committees, not individual leaders

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  be it the governing body, or the a judicial committee of the local elder body, when a two-thirds majority vote is reached, it is viewed as god’s will, as the action of holy spirit, of jesus nudging the stars in his right hand.

  [and if i’m not mistaken, the minority is encouraged to change their vote, so that is “unanimous”.

  anthony morris alluded to this when he unsuccessfully tried to explain why the governing body is not dogmatic.

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  I agree. It's no different than a ouija board.
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  NEW PEW Research data on Jehovah's Witnesses just released

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was expecting people who "identified" as jws to follow watchtower beliefs more closely than these pollsters report.. .

  http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/26/a-closer-look-at-jehovahs-witnesses-living-in-the-u-s/.

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  Do JWs believe in hell? Yes, they believe hell is mankind's common grave. It is likely what the 7% were thinking.
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  Watchtower myth: God’s will discerned through committees, not individual leaders

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  be it the governing body, or the a judicial committee of the local elder body, when a two-thirds majority vote is reached, it is viewed as god’s will, as the action of holy spirit, of jesus nudging the stars in his right hand.

  [and if i’m not mistaken, the minority is encouraged to change their vote, so that is “unanimous”.

  anthony morris alluded to this when he unsuccessfully tried to explain why the governing body is not dogmatic.

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  I guess this is related to what Ray Franz said in Crisis of Conscience:

  Based on my own experience among them I believe that they are, in effect, the captives of a concept. The concept or mental image they have of “the organization” seems almost to take on a personality of its own, so that the concept itself controls them, moves them or restrains them, by molding their thinking, their attitudes, their judgments . . .

  The insertion of the existing concept of “the organization,” however, radically alters their thinking and viewpoint, becomes, in fact, the dominant, controlling force . . .

  I believe that when the men on the Governing Body think about and refer to “the organization” they likewise think of the concept rather than the reality. They think of “the organization” as something far bigger and grander than themselves, thinking of it in its numerical aspect, in the extent of its scope of control, as something international, worldwide. They do not realize—apparently—that this aspect relates more to the organization’s domain than to what it itself actually is. When, however, they urge “loyalty to the organization” they must know, they certainly should know, that they are not talking about that domain—about the thousands of congregations and their members that the organization directs. They are talking about loyalty to the source of the direction, the source of the teachings, the source of the authority.

  Whether the Governing Body members acknowledge it or whether they prefer not to think about it, the fact remains that in these crucial respects they, and they alone, are “the organization.” Whatever other authority exists—that of the Branch Committees, that of the District or Circuit Overseers, that of Congregational Elder Bodies—that authority is totally dependent on that small body of men, subject to adjustment, change or removal at their decision, unilaterally, with no questions asked . . .

  I believe that for most of these Governing Body members, like the rest of Jehovah’s Witnesses, “the organization” takes on a symbolic nature, something rather undefined, abstract, a concept rather than a concrete entity. Rather than the “mother church” it is the “mother organization.”

  Perhaps because of such an illusory view of “the organization” a man can be a member of such a Body that has virtually unrestricted power and authority, and yet not feel a keen sense of personal responsibility for what the Body does, for whatever hurt or whatever misleading information and consequent misdirection results. “It was the organization that did it, not us,” seems to be the thinking. And, believing that “the organization” is God’s chosen instrument, the responsibility is passed on to God. It was His will—even if later the particular decision or the particular authoritative teaching is found wrong and changed. People may have been disfellowshiped or otherwise hurt by the wrong decisions. But the individual member of the Governing Body feels absolved of personal responsibility.