this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon:
If I give you a definition, will you call it asinine like jeffro did?
I was merely pulling you up on your earlier assertion that "asking for the correct definition of the word 'spirit' confirms you believe it exists".
Does the fact that I asked you for a definition of unicorn mean that I believe unicorns exist? If you actually answer my question and offer a definition what does that say about your belief in unicorns?
C'mon man, you need to put something on solid ground.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon: The fact that you are asking for the correct definition of the word 'spirit' confirms you believe it exists.
Halcon, how would you define 'unicorn'?
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
peacefulpete: Pursuing a hypothetical to it's logical end, can be revealing. In the case of the Yahwist creation myth, it can become a rabbit hole.
Agreed. Whatever value can be drawn from these stories if they're treated as allegorical is lost the moment they're taken literally. I think part of it is the fear that not taking stories like the Fall literally will bring the whole house of cards down.
If Adam and Eve didn't fall from grace in Eden then what did Jesus die for?
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Human parents have 'absolute power' over their newborn children for quite a few years.
Although some sadly abuse this power most don't. We nurture, cherish and protect our children often at the cost of our own freedoms and dreams.
We gently correct poor behaviour and explain ourselves in ways our children will understand. We don't hide the facts or lie to them.
God could learn a lot from us
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Should we really be surprised that a being capable of such murderous atrocities is capable of lying to his children too?
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
FragrantAddendum: he is not a "child killer"
Oh please. Every child on earth drowned in a flood. Innocent Egyptian children killed in their beds. An innocent baby killed to punish it's adulterous parents.
I could cite more examples all from the bible but what good would it do if you won't debate honestly?
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
FragrantAddendum: @nicolaou, who are some people that you love?
This topic isn't about me but as you asked, I'm a bit of a hippy really. I love pretty much everyone but I do draw the line at child killers.
You know, like your god.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
FragrantAddendum: people keep lying about him
I actually agree with this. "God is love" is one of the biggest lies ever told.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon: the snake was present when God gave Adam and Eve his instructions regarding all trees
Incorrect. You're conflating two separate conversations, one that god had with Adam re the tree of knowledge and the second he had with deities unidentified about the tree of life.
Or are you assuming that there were only two trees in this paradisaic garden?
Why am I even indulging this nonsense? Oh right, I started the dumb thread.
Sorry.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
If everlasting life really had been in store for Adam and Eve don't you think it would've been the first thing God would've told them they'd forfeited after eating the fruit?
Details like the ground being harder to work and less productive, the newly introduced pain into childbirth and the dominance of a husband over his wife are all a bit grim but you'd think losing immortality might at least get a mention.
Truth is that living forever was never held out as a prospect to these adult children. It was only ever mentioned in a private conversation amongst the gods afterwards as something to be withheld.
Like the Truman Show.
