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  SDAs Campaigning in my Area

  by NotFormer in

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  not even as active as the jws (whom i have not seen for around a year now), nevertheless i get an occasional leaflet or other publication in my letterbox that seems to be seventh day adventist in origin.. the booklet i received the other day was entitled "national sunday law".

  i also had received this book years ago when i had some dealings with the sdas.. from reddit: "national sunday law involves a conspiracy theory which alleges that the united states government is on the verge of enacting a national blue law that would make sunday a day of rest and worship.

  the theory depends on the idea that the pope is the antichrist and the mark of the beast is worshipped on sunday.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  SDA has some obscure branches (remember Waco?), one of which is likely the culprit here.
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  2020 US Religion Census

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have just become aware of the 2020 us religion census, pdf available for free download:.

  https://www.usreligioncensus.org/node/1638.

  it's a lengthy read, but there's quite a lot about jws.

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  Another interesting table from the 2020 US Religion census:

  
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  2020 US Religion Census

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have just become aware of the 2020 us religion census, pdf available for free download:.

  https://www.usreligioncensus.org/node/1638.

  it's a lengthy read, but there's quite a lot about jws.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Number of congregations by county in continental US:

  2020:

  

  compare that to 2010:

  

  A pretty major distribution change in Florida and California over just 10 years
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  2020 US Religion Census

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have just become aware of the 2020 us religion census, pdf available for free download:.

  https://www.usreligioncensus.org/node/1638.

  it's a lengthy read, but there's quite a lot about jws.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  An interesting user-generated map at:

  https://www.usreligioncensus.org/play-with-data

  Shows distribution of JWs by county in the continental US as a percent of population.

  
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  2020 US Religion Census

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have just become aware of the 2020 us religion census, pdf available for free download:.

  https://www.usreligioncensus.org/node/1638.

  it's a lengthy read, but there's quite a lot about jws.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I have just become aware of the 2020 US Religion Census, pdf available for free download:

  https://www.usreligioncensus.org/node/1638

  It's a lengthy read, but there's quite a lot about JWs. One quote that caught my eye in a section discussion immigration and its effect on diversification:

  The Assemblies of God (1.9%), a classical Pentecostal tradition,
  is among the most racially diverse religious groups in the nation.
  Those affiliated are 25% Hispanic, 5% Asian, 3% Black, and 66%
  White. Even more striking, the Jehovah’s Witnesses (1.9%) exhibit
  high racial diversity within the American religious landscape, with
  Hispanic representing 32% of their religious group, Asian Americans
  6%, Black Americans 27%, and White Americans representing 36%.

  I'll leave it at that, but if anyone is interested in reports like this, it's worth a look.

  
  
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  Unveiling the True Meaning of 666

  by EisMe in

  1. watchtower
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  unveiling the true meaning of 666. for centuries, the number 666 and the mark of the beast have sparked widespread speculation, fear, and countless interpretations.

  some believe it signifies an actual physical marking, while others see it as symbolic of spiritual allegiance.

  but amidst all these theories, one question remains:.

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  Total BS
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  Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.

  it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.

  i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.

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  I've long had a theory (for which I have no real evidence at all), that a lot of the do's and don'ts that were determined to be disfellowshipping offences came about from the post-1943 Gilead missionary expansion. As the JWs started to proselytize in third world countries, they came across lots of problems that never or rarely had come up before. Polygamy, diet (eating blood products, which transfusion was equated with at that time), forced political party membership, spiritistic talismans, consulting witchdoctors, superstitions, probably lots of other things. The missionaries were faced with the question,'Do these people need to change these practices or not to be JWs'? The questions ultimately came down to Knorr and Franz. Knorr decided on an organizational level and Franz made up/ wrote the scriptural reasoning. They went down a rabbithole of creating a Talmud-like body of decisions that they are still having to live with.
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  Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.

  it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.

  i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.

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  I could live with Russell's goofy 19th century beliefs, and with Rutherford's booze and megalomania. But the things that really make me scream came from the twisted minds of Franz and Knorr. Disfellowshipping, higher education, exclusionary world view
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  Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.

  it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.

  i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  The flag issue was one. Rutherford presented (and lost) the Gobitas case as freedom of religion. In Barnette, Franz/Knorr/Covington reinvented it as a 1st Amendment case of freedom of speech, which they won.

  edit to add: Identifying as a 'religion'. Under Rutherford, all 'religion' was a snare and a racket. We are not a religion, have no clergy or creed. About 1950, (a dark blue book, I forget the name of it) Franz et al changed it to 'there is true religion and false religion'. I believe this one falls under the umbrella of doctrinal changes to support draft exemption claims. All JW men are 'ministers', so they had to identify as a religion in the government's eyes.
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  What does the Catholic church think of JW?

  by Halcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.

  he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.

  is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?

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  In the Russell days, they referred to dedication as consecration. The present JW folderol of 'dedication and baptism' consists of studying through doctrinal books, answering questions on the creed/beliefs to the satisfaction of examiners, 'dedicating' to God (the only part of this which is private), official baptism in public with the date recorded permanently, and later the added baptism vow containing verbiage to identify as a JW in association with the WT religion.

  I maintain that this constructed process was invented primarily for legal reasons to prove in court that a person was a practicing JW. This came up in the Rutherford and associates 1918 trial where men were claiming to be members of the faith and exempt from the draft, but the WT didn't have a way to substantiate their claims. It's part of what landed Rutherford in jail in 1918. Back then it was all about the draft.