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How was the WTC attack any different than...

by Seeker in

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...the attack on jericho by the israelites?.

yes, i know, this is controversial, but let's think about it.

we've been saying all week how the jw concept of armageddon is so horrible, for it teaches that god is about to do on a large-scale what we saw in new york and washington last week.

Moxy

There is a difference here. God had promised the promised land to israel and the other people knew of God being with this nation by the things he had done in the past for them...crossing the red sea and pharoah's armys killed and victory for the jew's.They KNEW GOD WAS WITH THE JEWS.

how would they know that? more to the point, how would they verify that? was every individual in jericho presented with the evidence and given the chance to make a personal decision?

Also they were warned to let them through peacefully.

really? book, chapter and verse please. they seemed to have the fate of the canaanite people pretty much decided before they got there. they had a choice to let them through peacefully? by 'let them through,' do you mean let them destroy the city and take all their things? or do you mean that perhaps if they agreed to convert to their religion and serve the israelites, they might have let the city remain after all? read ahead a bit to the account of gibeon. heres the condensed version:

gibeon: "crap. here comes israel and theyre killin everyone. lets see if they will make peace with us."

gibeon: "hi israel. we would like to serve your god jehovah. he sounds just grand."

israel: "waaaaaait a second. do you live around here? if you do, we have to kill you, you know."

gibeon: "uhh no, we came from waaaay over there somewhere."

israel: "really? ok then... i guess we could not kill you."

later...

israel: "hey! you tricked us! we really wanted to kill you and now we made a promise not to. drat! well, we'll have to humiliate you badly for this, you understand. cant have people hearing what a bunch of chumps we are."

well, you know it goes. so wheres the part where the israelites were more than happy to forgive the residents of the land if they decided to repent and serve them?

mox

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JW's reasoning with their children

by noidea in

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a father of some teenage children had the family rule that they could .

not attend pg-13 or r rated movies.

his three teens wanted to see a particular popular movie that was playing at local theaters.

Moxy

yes, wonderful argument. terribly popular among the JWs.

in other words, no matter how much merit there may be to your argument, if my argument has any merit at all, even the slightest bit, i win.

closer: flashback on grade 7 camping trip on which i could not go for no lack of begging.

mox

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Scientologists Exploit WTC Tragedy

by mikepence in

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from http://www.sacbee.com/news/calreport/data/n2001-09-17-2015-0.html.

see also, http://www.xenu.net/archive/wir/wir6-22.html.

scientologists accused of misrepresenting selves during crisis .

Moxy

this weekends SA day program:

We had a special part yesterday and were informed that on Friday, at Bethel
they had a special meeting of all the District Overseers in the USA and the
New York City Circuit Overseers, and it was decided that our field ministry
would now be changed until further notice. For us it starts today. The
Circuit Overseer's wife did the demonstration.
We are for the time being not offering literature or the suggested offer. We
are to state at the doors that due to recent events we are not engaging in
our regular work, we are offering comfort where needed from the Bible to
help cope with the tragedy. We are to read Isaiah 61:1, 2; 1 Peter 5: 7;
and Phil. 4:6, 7.
We are NOT to use the "When Someone You Love Dies" brochure as everyone who
is missing and unaccounted is not referred to as dead, even the brothers who
are still missing now. The Society is at this moment reprinting the
"Terrorism" Awake! magazine, which they hope to have to us this week, and we
are to put that magazine into everyone's hands that we speak to. In the
interim, if we still have copies of that magazine we are to use it, or the
"Post Traumatic Stress" one, or the "Youth and Depression" one. If we don't
have any of those we are to use the tract "Comfort for the Depressed" which
all congregations have.
The Society is providing written information on all this as soon as possible
and hopes to have the entire United States up and running with this new
field ministry as soon as feasibly possible.

by saying 'not engaging in regular work,' are they saying no record of interested people, rvs and hopefully bible studies? unlikely

mox

Court Acquits Jehovah's Witness

by Moxy in

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010918/aponline181724_000.htm .

yerevan, armenia a leader of the jehovah's witnesses in armenia was acquitted tuesday of charges of forcing young people to evade military service and recruiting members to the religious group.. after a two-month trial, the court cited a lack of evidence in the case of levon markarian, a court spokesman said.

he had faced up to five years in prison.. markarian was charged with "infringement on citizens' rights.

Moxy

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010918/aponline181724_000.htm

YEREVAN, Armenia –– A leader of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Armenia was acquitted Tuesday of charges of forcing young people to evade military service and recruiting members to the religious group.
After a two-month trial, the court cited a lack of evidence in the case of Levon Markarian, a court spokesman said. He had faced up to five years in prison.
Markarian was charged with "infringement on citizens' rights." Prosecutors said he prompted young members of the Jehovah's Witnesses to refuse Armenia's mandatory army service for religious reasons, and lured members to his group even though it has been refused registration by Armenian authorities.
The Jehovah's Witnesses have been seeking registration since the group became active in Armenia with the 1991 collapse of the atheist Soviet regime.
Although Armenia's constitution provides for freedom of religion, it is difficult for new groups to register and the rules favor the dominant Armenian Apostolic Church.
Jehovah's Witnesses say they have been raided repeatedly by police, and about 20 Armenian members have been sentenced to prison terms for refusing military service. Government officials deny discrimination, saying they were only enforcing Armenia's mandatory draft.
The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe hailed Tuesday's verdict, and expressed hope that a new draft law on alternative military service would prevent similar prosecutions.
"The verdict demonstrates a commitment on the part of the judiciary to defend an individual's right to freedom of religion and conscience. Such a commitment is to be applauded," the OSCE's office in Yerevan said in a statement.
The Jehovah's Witnesses have faced difficulties in many former Soviet republics, where traditional churches struggling to rebuild followings have used government ties to restrict activities of nontraditional groups.
The Armenian Apostolic Church has sought to smooth over tensions this year because of celebrations marking Armenia's 1700th anniversary of its conversion to Christianity. Pope John Paul II is to join the celebrations next week during a visit aimed at fostering reconciliation among Christian denominations.

mox

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Watchtower "drama" last Sunday.

by CornerStone in

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i originaily said to myself that i was not going to post anything about last sundays "drama" at the dc because i did not want to stir up trouble.

but after reading about the watchtowers' less than charitable attitude toward their nyc neighbors i had a change of heart.. i sat there that morning with my wife and relatives, my eyes heavy from lack of sleep, children on either side of me already in dream land.

the drama was an old favorite; moses and korah.

Moxy

perhaps you so distraught you missed the part afterward when korah's son said that his family was trying not to feel sad about his father.

emotionally detached from other peoples death and tragedy. a familiar theme.

mox

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How was the WTC attack any different than...

by Seeker in

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...the attack on jericho by the israelites?.

yes, i know, this is controversial, but let's think about it.

we've been saying all week how the jw concept of armageddon is so horrible, for it teaches that god is about to do on a large-scale what we saw in new york and washington last week.

Moxy

ok, sorry. i missed the part where you said assume it was true. in that case, heres the difference.

first off, the spies were NOT sent to warn jericho. they were sent to spy. no warning was needed, you see, because the fate of jericho should have been obvious to any righteous-hearted people, like Rahab. the news of israels exodus from egypt and their conquest of lands west of the jordan had spread thru-out jericho. the fact that these stories were unsubstantiated rumour and probably wildly exagerated by the time they got there was no excuse. the stories were from jehovah and that was all the inhabitants of jericho should have needed to know. if the leaders of jericho had persuaded the people otherwise by any means, well, that was their own damn fault. they had plenty of opportunity to sell their life to the israelites. well, at least all the people who had any contact with the israelites did, which was just one actually. but thats beside the point. who said prostitution doesnt pay?

other differences:

the israelites were more thorough than the terrorists, picking thru the rubble like the search and rescue teams in manhattan, not to rescue, but to devote every man, woman, child and animal to destruction. (6:21)

they pilfered the ruins too, taking anything valuable they could find. they werent always allowed to do this, but sometimes jehovah needed a little cash. (6:24)

they cursed the land itself. no one could rebuild the city ever, or his children would die. (6:26)

mox

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How was the WTC attack any different than...

by Seeker in

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...the attack on jericho by the israelites?.

yes, i know, this is controversial, but let's think about it.

we've been saying all week how the jw concept of armageddon is so horrible, for it teaches that god is about to do on a large-scale what we saw in new york and washington last week.

Moxy

one really happened. the other didnt.

mox

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Dan Rather on Dave Letterman last night

by Tallyman in

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watching the david letterman "late show" last night was very touching.. dave had on as his main guest, dan rather, cbs newsman and anchor.

of the cbs evening news.. now, this man, rather, is supposed to be a hardened journalist,.

whose job is to report the news objectively and hide emotions/opinion.. he has seen a lot in his long career as a journalist.. he broke down in tears last night twice while dave was interviewing .

Moxy

shades of seinfeld finale

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A little more inside info from Bethel....

by LDH in

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per my father this morning, they have found and identified the body of one sister, but 14 other jw are still missing.. i said, "dad, there's a lot more than 14 still missing.

silence.. also told me the brothers and sisters on top of the factory saw the second plane hit the south tower, and <<<<gasp>>>>>>> some of the sisters fainted dead away!.

we know how weak these women are anyway, this was no shock to me.

Moxy

Sister "Ohhh... I'm going to faint--"

Brother "Don't worry. I got you!"

Sister "Oh, thats fine. Im alright now. just felt a bit woozy."

...

Sister "You can let go now."

Brother "Are you sure? I dont mind."
mox

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Need Research Help!

by WhatNow in

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help guys (and gals).

i am a df'd lurker of almost a year now.

i don't post much, usually just enjoy 'reading' the topics.

Moxy

how incredible that the parents, unlike normal human people who would be overcome with relief and ecstatic joy at having a child come near death and narrowly escape, 'severely scold' the child. not even just half-heartedly, they took the trouble to emphasize the severity of the discipline. of course, the discipline is 'very easy to accept.'

i think i get the message, thanks

mox