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  Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

  by Richard_I in

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  2. friends

  this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

  link to video.

  i'm writing a transcript right now.

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  The two witness rule

  The problem with Watchtower is they stop when there aren't two eye-witnesses. But often there is a second witness in the form of forensic evidence that only professional investigators (police) can find, if they get to it in time.

  Anthony Morris claims Watchtower doesn't discourage going to police, but they don't encourage it either. And in a way they do discourage it, not in writing in a Watchtower magazine, but by the elder's counsel..."You wouldn't want to bring reproach on Jehovah's name, would you?"

  There are ways of discouraging going to the police besides directly saying not to, and a "second witness" is lost as a result.
  
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  Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

  by Richard_I in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

  link to video.

  i'm writing a transcript right now.

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  From par 3, lines 1 and 5 of the transcription,

  (Line 1): numerality (?)

  (Line 5): "The Numerality"

  I believe he was saying "new morality."
  

  Morris is a terrible speaker. It's often very difficult to understand his words, in addition to the fact that he sometimes drops a sentence in mid-thought.
  
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  Australian Royal Commission 2 witness live stream

  by possum in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  july 27th 2015 australian royal commission into institutional child abuse will be live streaming evidence from two witness victims.

  you can listen on your computer live streaming from royal commission website.

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  Possum: "the best disinfectant is sunshine"

  I like that. Sure hope Watchtower doesn't find a way to weasel out of this.
  
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  How do you feel about exJW's who resist our efforts to effect change?

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've met a few.

  i'm not talking about the jw who, whether df'd or not, falls off the radar and just gets on with living a normal life - good luck to them and may there be many more!.

  i mean the former jehovah's witness who is now enjoying all the benefits of a cult free life thanks to the efforts of many bloggers, posters and activists, but is critical of the efforts of someone close them to free more jws.

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  Smiddy: The rest seemingly have the attitude " I have tried the religion (some after many years) decided for one reason or another it`s not for me , and walked away" , they have simply turned off religion and are just not interested in talking about it anymore.(as they used to do when they were witnesses)

  I wonder if the ones who are the most vocal after leaving are the ones that really understood the religion the best. Many Witnesses don't get most of it; to them there simply is no immortal soul, no trinity, and no blood transfusions, and that's about it.

  But the ones that took it more seriously understood the deeper issues such as what the Gentile Times meant, how 1914 was arrived at, what the 1914 Generation was all about, and the workings of the Organization. When the more knowledgeable ones discover it isn't the truth they have more to talk about.

  Probably most of the posters on this site fit into the latter group.

  Individual personality may have something to do with it too; some people are more vocal than others by nature.

  As a side thought, I've always felt that the ones who never leave are the least knowledgeable. In other words, Watchtower is mainly losing it's best people, and the best ones will talk.
  
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  How do you feel about exJW's who resist our efforts to effect change?

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've met a few.

  i'm not talking about the jw who, whether df'd or not, falls off the radar and just gets on with living a normal life - good luck to them and may there be many more!.

  i mean the former jehovah's witness who is now enjoying all the benefits of a cult free life thanks to the efforts of many bloggers, posters and activists, but is critical of the efforts of someone close them to free more jws.

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  Not at all Jeff! You're right here making observations and sharing your thoughts. Don't underestimate that.

  Agreed! Not everyone is going to be a Paul Gundy, a Randy Watters, a Barbara Anderson, a Cedars (www.jwsurvey.org), or an Eric of JWStruggle.com. These powerhouses serve a great purpose, but the every day ex-Witnesses who simply leave a comment offering an insight or two on forums like this are greatly appreciated.

  It all adds up!
  
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  How do you feel about exJW's who resist our efforts to effect change?

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've met a few.

  i'm not talking about the jw who, whether df'd or not, falls off the radar and just gets on with living a normal life - good luck to them and may there be many more!.

  i mean the former jehovah's witness who is now enjoying all the benefits of a cult free life thanks to the efforts of many bloggers, posters and activists, but is critical of the efforts of someone close them to free more jws.

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  Yes they will "leave if they want to," but they can't usually leave without some basic knowledge of how wrong Watchtower is, such as it's mainly failed predictions, how it controls peoples minds, it's hypocritical actions like being involved with the United Nations, etc.
  

  This kind of information and how it gets delivered, mainly via the internet, is extremely valuable (at least it was to me). I am grateful to those who take the active approach after they leave the Organization.
  
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  Nitty-Gritty: @ScenicViewer
  

  But Watchtower claims to be different from "every strata of society." Remember, JWs are "no part of the world," and there is supposed to be a "spiritual paradise" in the organization, a place of "special protection and safety" from the evils of this world, according to Watchtower.

  These child molestation cases are proving that sexual molest of children, which exist in society in general, also exist among Jehovah's Witnesses. This shows that Watchtower is no better than the world it condemns.
  

  There are also adulterers, fornicators, liars and the like in Congregations. But guess what, no one can control what you do, it is up to individuals to apply Bible principles and not do these things. Some lead a double life for a while, before they are found out, but once they are found out to be practicing these things they are disfellowshipped and no longer JWs.

  Yes, but the "adulterers, fornicators, liars, and the like" that you refer to are not publicly aired; it's easy to keep these things relatively secret. The difference with the Conti case (and other child molest cases) is that it was a public embarrassment to Watchtower because it went to court and was advancing to high levels of the Justice system. The notoriety could not be avoided.
  

  In addition, with ordinary adulterers and fornicators, who is harmed by those sins? In almost every case an adulterer has a willing partner.

  In the case of sexually molesting children the victims are greatly damaged, and when this is made public it gives Watchtower a black eye because there is hardly a more offensive crime that could be committed. Yes, sexual molest of a child is a serious crime, not just an ordinary sin as with adultery or lying.
  

  Theses cases are showing that Jehovah's Witnesses are no different from the rest of the world or from the Churches they so vigorously condemn.
  

  
  
  
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  Nitty-Gritty: @ DarioKehl She exposed nothing that hasn't already been known. I.e that there are child molesters in every strata of society. Your neighbour could be one.

  But Watchtower claims to be different from "every strata of society." Remember, JWs are "no part of the world," and there is supposed to be a "spiritual paradise" in the organization, a place of "special protection and safety" from the evils of this world, according to Watchtower.

  These child molestation cases are proving that sexual molest of children, which exist in society in general, also exist among Jehovah's Witnesses. This shows that Watchtower is no better than the world it condemns. The more this is known publicly the more Watchtower will suffer as an organization.

  The settlement was more to protect Watchtower's interests than Conti's.
  
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  And is that maybe why she agreed to a settlement, to save her losing everything

  The question is, Why would Watchtower agree to settle? It goes against everything they are supposed to stand for. If they thought Candace was going to lose everything they would still be in this.

  Maybe Watchtower settled because they knew they would not win in appeal, and the cost of more public exposure and bad reputation was more than the organization wanted to deal with.

  WT policy was not changed.

  How do we know this? Do you have access to the terms of the agreement? As has been mentioned, we will have to see what changes lie ahead in organizational policy, letters to the BOE, etc. It's way to early to know what changes there may be.
  
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  Looks like she is done with it.

  Actually, it looks like Watchtower is done with it. Watchtower has said there is no unfavorable court ruling they wouldn't appeal. Watchtower had started an appeal in this case but for some reason did an about face. I have a feeling the appeals attorneys that Watchtower was using knew they weren't going to win and convinced Watchtower to end it.
  

  I would love to know more about the facts and the terms Watchtower finally agreed to, but considering the organization's determination to never let settlements be known publicly I doubt we will ever know.