Posts by ScenicViewer

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JW Broadcasting is dying.

by John Aquila in

once a month about 15 to 20 elderly jw publishers would meet at the kingdom hall and one elder was assigned to set up the system so they could view jw broadcasting.

these publishers were long time pioneers, former elders, and long time publishers who know nothing about computers or the internet.

they are the last batch of those expecting the generation that saw 1914 or understood it--- to not die off.

ScenicViewer

ToesUp: ...maybe the Elders need to go on the internet and learn how to cook a turkey and a roast.

Oh, that is so funny! Thumbs up to ToesUp.

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

ScenicViewer

Fisherman: I am sure that you also know that people do not like here any post that rebuts WT hate posts.

That's not true at all. It is often mentioned here that posts that unfairly criticize Watchtower are a bad idea. Jehovah's Witnesses are taught to think that all apostates are bad, and all that hate posts do is reinforce that wrong point of view. .

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

ScenicViewer

Fisherman: I changed that [the science name]. You need to re read.

Yes, you edited it out - without acknowledging the edit - either while I was preparing my post or after it was posted. You must have, after giving it second thought, finally taken your own advice that "You need to read."

Does that really mean I didn't read your post? Or are you being unnecessarily harsh, negative, judgmental, and fault finding? You did write "science", apparently without reading before you posted the first time.

ScenicViewer: knowledgeable and intelligent people are overwhelmingly against our own, given that we all come from the same background, it's time we slowed down and rethought the matter.

Fisherman: Not really.

Are you really of the 'everybody else is wrong and I am always right' mentality?'

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

ScenicViewer

Fisherman: ...liking something or polls does not make an argument valid.

Not automatically, no, but when the opinions of other knowledgeable and intelligent people are overwhelmingly against our own, given that we all come from the same background, it's time we slowed down and rethought the matter.

with your science name and all

Actually my screen name has nothing to do with science, but that raises the question again, based on what science do you conclude that you have defeated Morpheus in debates?

Edit: The background I refer to is that of being Jehovah's Witnesses and having an awakening.

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

ScenicViewer

Fisherman: I have defeated Morpheus in debates on other threads

What measure are you using to decide you have defeated Morpheus?

I'm not sure what "other threads" have to do with this one, but have you noticed the Like and Dislike numbers on this thread? If we judge by what other posters think it is clear that they agree with Morpheus much more than with you.

Below are samples - Morpheus' Likes are heavily in the Green, while your Dislikes are heavily in the Red.

I wonder if you are seeing yourself and your logic the same way other people are seeing you.

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

ScenicViewer

Fisherman: You are a moron Morpheus. [...] You are a real Twirp [...] What a dope you are.

Why is Morpheus a dope, a twirp and a moron? The questions, in and of themselves, seemed harmless in nature, although perhaps you came across as not believing that he was in Bethel. Did you mean to be grilling him, is that why you wanted the questions to be kept private?

Personally I've enjoyed the discussion about Bethel life.

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News from Warwick

by Sour Grapes in

jw
friends

warwick update .

safety

safety is a 'culture'!

ScenicViewer

We keep track of 16,000+ workers plus 7688 RBC/Local Volunteers for a grand total of 23,500!

Wow. Watchtower can keep track of 23,500 volunteer workers?

That seems strange considering the Organization doesn't bother to keep track of it's own anointed remnant.

(W 8-15-2011 p22)
We thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know. The Governing Body does not keep a list of all partakers, for it does not maintain a global network of anointed ones."

And so much depends on the anointed.

-- For decades the anointed were the Faithful and Discreet Slave, who gave spiritual food at the proper time.

-- Only the anointed are brothers of Christ.

-- The Bible was written for the anointed.

-- The anointed make up the Christian Congregation.

-- The Other Sheep are saved by the anointed.

-- Christ is Mediator only to the anointed.

Many heavy spiritual things are dependent on the anointed, according to the Society, but they don't know who the anointed are or where they are.

Throughout Watchtowers history since 1970, which is about when I came in, there were only about 8,000+ anointed on earth, although the number has risen over the last several years; there were 12,604 in 2012, my last notice.

Watchtower doesn't keep track of 8,000-12,000 or so of the anointed, but it does keep track of 23,500 volunteer workers? This doesn't make a great deal of sense.

It does however show where the Organization's priorities are, not on spiritual things, but on free labor.

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New letter, re: Fully Utilizing Kingdom Hall Auditoriums

by suavojr in

jw
friends

let the merging begin!!!.

to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territory.

re: fully utilizing kingdom hall auditoriums.

ScenicViewer

I was in a congregation in the 90s that had a hall which seated at least 140, and every sunday the main auditorium and the library were full, and we were having to put out rows of folding chairs behind the regular seats in the auditorium. They were split shortly afterwards.

I too remember a slight bump in attendance in the 1990s. It was about the time the Berlin wall came down, which divided East Germany and West Germany. Watchtower played that up as...

"Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape." 1Thes 5:3

It was another 'Armageddon is just around the corner' push, which usually results in some growth, but In our local congregations attendance never reached capacity as happened in the pre-1975 years.

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New letter, re: Fully Utilizing Kingdom Hall Auditoriums

by suavojr in

jw
friends

let the merging begin!!!.

to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territory.

re: fully utilizing kingdom hall auditoriums.

ScenicViewer

Splash: Two low attendance congregations will eventually become one low attendance congregation.

Now that's funny!

But think how much richer Watchtower will be in the end.

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New letter, re: Fully Utilizing Kingdom Hall Auditoriums

by suavojr in

jw
friends

let the merging begin!!!.

to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territory.

re: fully utilizing kingdom hall auditoriums.

ScenicViewer

The subject, Fully Utilizing Kingdom Hall Auditoriums, puts a positive spin on a big problem. Rather than saying 'meeting attendance is down, Kingdom Halls are at 1/3 capacity, and donations are decreasing, they begin by citing a situation that rarely, if ever exists.

When an auditorium is overcrowded and no additional meeting times can be scheduled, building a new Kingdom Hall may be the most practical solution.

How often does this happen? Standing room only at a K.H.? I remember this in the early 1970s locally, but when I stopped attending meetings in 2006 the K.H. was 2/3 empty for mid-week meetings and about 1/2 empty on Sunday; I doubt there has been a boom in meeting attendance since.

If new Kingdom Halls are built when there is an overcrowding situation, figure on about '0' new Halls.

Presented second is the real situation, the 'on the other hand' scenario.

On the other hand, the master plan may identify auditoriums that could be better utilized. [...] Could congregations merge in order to make better use of the auditorium capacity? Could a congregation relocate to an auditorium with sufficient parking and seating?

As usual Watchtower is handling a problem, in this case low meeting attendance, without clearly identifying what the real problem is. Witnesses will be left thinking there is growth even though it isn't happening in their area; many will see there is low meeting attendance in their Hall, but think they must be the exception.

And when the extra Kingdom Halls are sold, the ones left over after congregations merge, where will the proceeds go? Straight to Watchtower of course. It will ultimately be another cash grab by "God's Organization."

Edit: This amounts to a HUGE double dip. First Watchtower takes congregations' savings accounts by claiming that new Kingdom Halls are needed, and Second they sell off existing Kingdom Halls that are left over after the merge, pocketing even more money. Smooth.