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  Three lies more from the Jehova´s Witnesses

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  please check the quotation below taken from let your kingdom come page 115.

  *** kc 115 12 the "last days" and the kingdom ***

  the first world war was one of the great convulsions of history.barbara tuchman, the guns of august, 1962 .

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  Please check the quotation below taken from Let Your Kingdom Come page 115.

  *** kc 115 12 The "Last Days" and the Kingdom *** The First World War was one of the great convulsions of history.Barbara Tuchman, The Guns of August, 1962

  What the original quotation say? Well, here you are:

  A full bibliography of the subject would fill a book. No other episode in history has been more documented by its participants. They seem to have known, while they lived it, that like the French Revolution, the First World War was one of the great convulsions of history, and each felt the hand of history heavily on his own shoulder.

  I believe that the Society is trying to tell us another different thing. The quotation from the Kingdom Come does not say what Barbara Tuchman had in her mind. The Society wants us to believe that the major point in history was the I World War. But this lady says that the French Revolution was as important as the First War in history. Furthermore, was the discovery of fire a turning point in mankind history? What about the discovery of the wheel? And what about the discovery of the scripture? Or the JesusChrists life? Or what about the fall of roman empire? Or the discovery of America or the discovery of the printing? What about of the Industrial Revolution or the Atomic bombs or even internet? Saying that there is one major turning point in history, the First World War, is childless and useless.

  From the book Reasoning will take the following:

  *** rs 89 Cross *** Cross

  Definition: The device on which Jesus Christ was executed is referred to by most of Christendom as a cross. The expression is drawn from the Latin crux.

  Why do Watch Tower publications show Jesus on a stake with hands over his head instead of on the traditional cross?

  The Greek word rendered cross in many modern Bible versions (torture stake in NW) is stauros'. In classical Greek, this word meant merely an upright stake, or pale. Later it also came to be used for an execution stake having a crosspiece. The Imperial Bible-Dictionary acknowledges this, saying: The Greek word for cross, [stauros'], properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground. . . . Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole.Edited by P. Fairbairn (London, 1874), Vol. I, p. 376.

  As you noted the points between ground and Even? they suspicious, are not they? Are you interested what the Imperial Bible Dictionary says? Well, keep reading:

  The Greek word for cross, [stauros'], properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground. But a modification was introduced as the dominion and usages of Rome extended themselves through Greek speaking countries. Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole, and this always remained the more prominent part. But from the time that it began to be used as an instrument of punishment, a transverse piece of wood was commonly added: not, however, always even then. [] There can be no doubt, however, that the latter sort was the more common, and that about the period of the gospel age crucifixion was usually accomplished by suspending the criminal on a cross piece of wood.

  If you continue reading the whole page they say that early chriatian as a symbol of Christ, they used to draw a cross.

  You may notice that the Dictionary does not agree with the Society idea about Jesus dying in a simple pole or stake.

  Continuing with the old doctrine about earthquake, we will quote the book Live on a paradise on earth.

  *** pe 151 18 "The End of the World" Is at Hand! *** THERE WILL BE . . . EARTHQUAKES IN ONE PLACE AFTER ANOTHER.Matthew 24:7.

  From 1914 until now, there have been many more major earthquakes than in any other like period in recorded history. For over 1,000 years, from the year 856 C.E. to 1914, there were only 24 major earthquakes, causing some 1,973,000 deaths. But in the 63 years from 1915 to 1978, a total of some 1,600,000 persons died in 43 great earthquakes.

  I wrote to the International Seismological Centre in England and I sent the paragraph above and I asked the following questions:

  1 According to your records, is this quotation correct?

  2 Is the reason that more earthquakes are reported in recent history due to better research units such as yours?

  3 According to your figures has there been an increase in earthquake activity since 1914?

  4 If more people are dying today from earthquakes, is this related to the increase in world population?

  Here you are the answer:

  Thank you for your letter dated 1996 September 30th quoting earthquake statistics from the

  Watchtower Bible & Tract Society.

  First of all, the importance of World War I to seismology was that instruments and particularly

  timing systems were developed so that earthquakes could be accurately located and quantified.

  With this monitoring work reliable and detailed statistics on earthquakes and fatalities were derived.

  Another significant fact is the huge increase in the world population in the 20th Century .As the

  statistics on the occurrence of earthquakes and fata1ities before this time are less reliable than at

  present and with the large changes in population, I believe it makes it impossible to make a

  comparison between the numbers of events and loss of life before and after 1914.

  Therefore in answer to your specific questions:-

  1. I do not believe the comparison mentioned above is possible.

  2. The reason for so many more earthquakes being detected is the large deployment of

  seismometers presently around the world to monitor them.

  3. There have been short-term increases and decreases in global seismic activity since 1914 but

  over this time period it is not possible to say that there have been more or less earthquakes than the

  present average.

  4. It is true that many more people are living in seismic areas due to the increase in population.

  Finally you ask for a source of information on major earthquakes and casualties. The Nationa1

  Geophysica1 Data Center (NGDC) of the US National Oceanographic and Atmospheric

  Administration (NOAA), Boulder, Colorado produced a Catalog of Significant Earthquakes

  2150BC-1991AD in 1992 September. This probably can be borrowed from the National Lending

  Library , Boston Spa, Lincs.

  Yours sincerely,

  Anthony A Hughes

  I do not to add anything else.

  Check again this quotation in the book Reasoning:

  *** rs 236 Last Days *** There will be great earthquakes (Luke 21:11)

  It is true that there were major quakes in centuries past; furthermore, with their sensitive equipment scientists now detect more than a million quakes a year. But no special instruments are needed for people to know when there is a great earthquake.

  Has there actually been a significant number of major earthquakes since 1914? With data obtained from the National Geophysical Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, supplemented by a number of standard reference works, a tabulation was made in 1984 that included only earthquakes that measured 7.5 or more on the Richter scale, or that resulted in destruction of five million dollars (U.S.) or more in property, or that caused 100 or more deaths. It was calculated that there had been 856 of such earthquakes during the 2,000 years before 1914. The same tabulation showed that in just 69 years following 1914 there were 605 of such quakes. That means that, in comparison with the previous 2,000 years, the average per year has been 20 times as great since 1914.

  I wrote to the National Geophysical Data Center in Boulder, Colorado and ordered the catalogue from which the Society took her figures and this is what the catalogue says in the caveat:

  Caveat: Erroneous statistical conclusions can be drawn from the numbers of earthquakes taken from Catalog of Significant Earthquakes, 2150 B.C. -1991 A.D. The reporting of large or destructive earthquakes is not homogeneous in space or time. particularly for periods prior to the 1900s. Because this publication mainly lists those earthquakes that have caused death or damage. the number of earthquake reports is dependent on the written history available for a particular region. as well as on the rate of development of population centers and related structures. Therefore. it is misleading to use the numbers of significant earthquakes in that publication to suggest statistically that there has been an increase in worldwide seismic activity since 1900 or for any time period The following observations must be taken into account when looking at that apparent" increase in activity:

  Instrumental seismology is a young science. The first calibrated instruments to measure seismic waves travelling through the earth did not appear until the late 1800s. At that time. seismologists became aware of the vast numbers of earthquakes occurring throughout the world. but because of the insensitivity of their instruments they were able to locate only the large magnitude events.

  The 1960s saw two major advances. First. a network of seismological observatories was installed by the United States Government. principally to monitor underground nuclear tests. These sensitive instruments could detect and identify earthquakes anywhere in the world from about magnitude 4.5.

  Second, computers became available in the late 1960s. Computers allowed seismologists to leave inaccurate and cumbersome graphical methods of locating earthquakes. and to process the increasing volume of new network data more rapidly than ever before. Prior to 1962. on1y hundreds of earthquake epicentres were determined each year by Government and academic institutions. but the number increased to the thousands using computerized location methods. In some special local studies. more than 100.000 earthquakes per year were identified and located

  In summary, using the data in Catalog of Significant Earthquakes, 2150 B.C.- 1991 A.D. to suggest that there has been an increase in worldwide earthquake activity is misleading and erroneous. The above observations and reporting factors must also be considered when making statistical studies based on that historical data report.

  I believe that the Society is a Lord of Deceiving. I can not understand how there are people in her ranks.
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  Two lies more from the Society

  by ServetMiguel in

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  i suggest when the society quotes somebody, we should confirm that they are usin the quotation in its context because the society is a master in deceiving and taking out of context everything.

  here you are another three lies more.

  watchtower 15/5/1983 page 6.

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  Yes, I knew that the doctrine about earthquakes had changed but the old doctrine is still in the watchtower magazine so we can see how they were lying for decades. I do not think that the information I have posted it is not useful.

  On Saturday, I will send scanned copies to everybody who wrote in the forum that would like to receive the copies.

  Take care guys

  Miguel Servet
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  Two lies more from the Society

  by ServetMiguel in

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  i suggest when the society quotes somebody, we should confirm that they are usin the quotation in its context because the society is a master in deceiving and taking out of context everything.

  here you are another three lies more.

  watchtower 15/5/1983 page 6.

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  I have been trying to put the scan copies here and It is impossible for me to do it. Would somebody explain to me how to do it or otherwise I will post them directly in your private mail

  Miguel Servet
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  Two lies more from the Society

  by ServetMiguel in

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  2. scandals

  i suggest when the society quotes somebody, we should confirm that they are usin the quotation in its context because the society is a master in deceiving and taking out of context everything.

  here you are another three lies more.

  watchtower 15/5/1983 page 6.

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  I suggest when the Society quotes somebody, we should confirm that they are usin the quotation in its context because the Society is a master in deceiving and taking out of context everything. Here you are another three lies more.

  Watchtower 15/5/1983 page 6.

  *** w83 5/15 6 Earthquakes-A Sign of the End? *** Some seismologists believe that the earth is now in an active earthquake period. For example, Professor Keiiti Aki of the Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology speaks of the apparent surge in intensity and frequency of major earthquakes during the last one hundred years, though stating that the period from 1500 through 1700 was as active.

  Well, I wrote to Mr. Aki asking for a copy of the letter which he sent to the Watchtower. He sent the following, First an introductory letter and second a copy.

  Enclosed please find a copy of my letter to Watchtower Society. Although the first paragraph is somewhat incomplete (the main reason why I believe that the earthquake activity is constant is shortened to "The main reason"), it is clear that they quoted the part they wanted, eliminating my main message.

  An the Akis answer to the Watchtower letter says:

  This is in response to your inquiry about earthquakes [EC:ESH September 24, 1982]. The apparent surge in intensity and frequency of major earthquakes during the 1ast one hundred years is, in a11 probabi1ity , due to the improved recording of earthquakes and the increased vulnerability of human society to earthquake damage. The main reason is the we11 estab1ished p1ate tectonics which indicates a very steady fau1t motion over the past many mi11ions of years . A measure of earthquake strength more objective than casua1ty is the Richter sca1e. It is in genera1 difficult to assign the Richter sca1e to earthquakes more than 100 years ago. An attempt , however, has been made in China , where historica1 records are kept in better shape than in other regions. Enclosed figure shows the Richter Sca1e (M) of earthquakes in China during the period of about 2000 years. The past 100 years are certainly active , but there have been periods as active as that, for exronp1e, from 1500 to 1700.

  As you may notice, Aki does not agree with the Society and Furthermore his answer was for CHINA and not for world conditions as the watchtower wants us to believe.

  Another quotation comes from the book, let your kingdom come:

  *** kc 187 Appendix to Chapter 14 *** From a secular viewpoint, such lines of evidence might seem to establish the Neo-Babylonian chronology with Nebuchadnezzars 18th year (and the destruction of Jerusalem) in 587/6 B.C.E. However, no historian can deny the possibility that the present picture of Babylonian history might be misleading or in error. It is known, for example, that ancient priests and kings sometimes altered records for their own purposes. Or, even if the discovered evidence is accurate, it might be misinterpreted by modern scholars or be incomplete so that yet undiscovered material could drastically alter the chronology of the period.

  Evidently realizing such facts, Professor Edward F. Campbell, Jr., introduced a chart, which included Neo-Babylonian chronology, with the caution: It goes without saying that these lists are provisional. The more one studies the intricacies of the chronological problems in the ancient Near East, the less he is inclined to think of any presentation as final. For this reason, the term circa [about] could be used even more liberally than it is.The Bible and the Ancient Near East (1965 ed.), p. 281.

  Well, I wrote to Mr. Campbell and this was his answer:

  As you have sensed, the J.W. misconstrued completely my intent. The dates are really so close to being exact that I did not use circa with the ones for the Neo-Babylonian era.

  Circa was used when the deviation might be as much as a decade. None of the Neo-Babylonian dates can be possible be that far off. Im afraid that J.W. was searching for an ally where they do not have one! 587/6 BC for Jerusalems destruction is certainly within one year of being right.

  The best sources for the dates of this period are the Babylonian chronicle, which confirms the 597 date for the first defeat of Jerusalem. (Italics theirs)

  Campbells answer is obvious so I do have to add nothing. What I would like to say is that how people can believe that The Society is the truth when there are hundreds of evidences which say the opposite just we need to check a bit her quotations.
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  Three lies from the Society

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  how can the society deceive people?

  because nobody check her statements.

  check below and you shall see:

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  How can the Society deceive people? Because nobody check her statements. Check below and you shall see:

  *** w69 3/15 185-6 Astronomical Calculations and the Count of Time *** LUNAR ECLIPSES

  Lunar eclipses, as found in Ptolemys canon and presumably drawn from data in the cuneiform records, have been used in efforts to substantiate the dates usually given for particular years of the Neo-Babylonian kings. But even though Ptolemy may have been able to calculate accurately the dates of certain eclipses in the past, this does not prove that his transmission of historical data is correct. His relating of eclipses to the reigns of certain kings may not always be based on the facts. Additionally, the frequency of lunar eclipses certainly does not add great strength to this type of confirmation.

  For example, a lunar eclipse in 621 B.C.E. (April 22) is used as proof of the correctness of the Ptolemaic date for Nabopolassars fifth year. However, another eclipse could be cited twenty years earlier in 641 B.C.E. (June 1) to correspond with the date that Bible chronology would indicate for Nabopolassars fifth year. Besides, this latter eclipse was total, whereas the one in 621 B.C.E. was partial. 8

  According to the text, there are two possible eclipses. If you are a witness, you will accept the 641 BC one (total eclipse)because it is convenient for the Society chronology but if you are not you will accept the 621 BC (partial eclipse) But is there a way to know which one is the eclipse which Ptolemy mentioned in his Almagest? Yes, there is. Just read the original source, which is the Almagest, which says the following:

  In the fifth year of Nabopolassar, which is the 127 th year of Nabonassar, towards the end of the eleventh hour (in the night) between the 27 th and 28 th of the Egyptian (month) Athyr, the moon began to be eclipsed in Babylon, but the largest eclipsed area embraced only a fourth of the diameter on the south side. (Ptolemys Almagest V 14, p. 340)

  You may notice that Ptolemy is referring to the eclipse which is dated in 621 BC because as the Society recognised, this is partial, as the description given in the Almagest, whereas the one chosen by the Society is total and it does not fit with Ptolemy description . If 621 is the fifth year of Nabonassar, his last, the 21 st year, was 605 BC and then, Nebuchadnezzar first year was 604 BC. It would be impossible for a person to destroy a city, Jerusalem in 607 BC, when he, Nebuchadnezzar, had not succeed to the royal throne yet.

  *** w69 2/1 89 Babylonian Chronology-How Reliable? *** What is thought to be a memorial tablet written either for the mother or the grandmother of Nabonidus, gives some chronological data for this period, but many portions of the text have been damaged, leaving much to the ingenuity and conjecture of historians. The reader can appreciate how fragmentary the text is by ignoring the bracketed material in the following translation of one section of this memorialmaterial that represents modern attempts at restoring the missing, damaged or illegible portions:.

  [During the time from Ashurbanipal], the king of Assyria, [in] whose [rule] I was born(to wit): [21 years] under Ashurbanipal, [4 years under Ashur]etillu-ilani, his son, [21 years under Nabopola]ssar, 43 years under Nebuchadnezzar, [2 years under Ewil-Merodach], 4 years under Neriglissar, [in summa 95 yea]rs, [the god was away] till Sin, the king of the gods, [remembered the temple] . . . of his [great] godhead, his clouded face [shone up], [and he listened] to my prayers, [forgot] the angry command [which he had given, and decided to return t]o the temple -hul-hul, the temple, [the mansion,] his hearts delight. [With regard to his impending return to] the [temp]le, Sin, the king of [the gods, said (to me)]: Nabonidus, the king of Babylon, the son [of my womb] [shall] make [me] en[ter/sit down (again)] in (to) the temple -hul-hul! I care[fully] obeyed the orders which [Sin], the king of the gods, had pronounced (and therefore) I did see myself (how) Nabonidus, the king of Babylon, the offspring of my womb, reinstalled completely the forgotten rites of Sin, . . .

  Farther along in the text Nabonidus mother (or grandmother) is represented as crediting Sin with granting her long life from the time of Ashurbanipal, king of Assyria, to the 6th year of Nabonidus, king of Babylon, the son of my womb, (that is) for 104 happy years, . . . Pritchards Ancient Near Eastern Texts, pages 311, 312.

  From this very incomplete inscription it can be seen that the only figures actually given are the 43 years of Nebuchadnezzars reign and 4 years of Neriglissars reign. As to this latter monarch, the text does not necessarily limit his reign to four years; rather it tells of something that happened in his fourth year. How far within the reign of Ashurbanipal the life of Nabonidus mother (or grandmother) began is not stated, so that we are left in the dark as to the commencement and the close of the 104 happy years. Nor is there any information as to the lengths of the reigns of Ashur-etillu-ilani, Nabopolassar and Evil-merodach. And there is no mention of Labashi-Marduk, now generally acknowledged by historians as reigning between Neriglissar and Nabonidus.

  It will be noted, too, that the conjectured numbers of years, inserted by modern historians on the basis of Ptolemys canon, when added to the 6th year of Nabonidus, give a total of 100 or 101 years, and not the 104 years mentioned in the text itself. So this fragmentary record provides scant information for the chronology of the Neo-Babylonian period.

  The text above is known as Nabon. N 24 ot the Adad-guppi inscription. It was discovered by H. Pognon at Eski Harran in south-eastern Turkey in 1906. However, in 1956 Dr. D. S. Rice discovered 3 other stelae at Haran from the reign of Nabonidus, one of which bore a duplicate inscription of the one discovered in 1906. Fortunately, the section for the chronological information is not damaged. The text says the following:

  From the 20th year of Ashurbanipal, king of Assyria, when I was born, until the 42nd year of Ashurbanipal, the 3rd year of his son Ashur-etil-ili, the 21st year of Nabopolassar, the 43rd year of Nebuchadnezzar, the 2nd year of Awel-Merodach, the 4th year of Neriglissar, during (all) these 95 years in which I visited the temple of the great godhead Sin, king of all the gods in heaven and in the nether world, he looked with favor upon my pious good works and listened to my prayers, accepted my vows

  It should be notice that the first 2 kings are Assyrians while the following kings are Neo-Babylonian kings. It means that Adad-guppi lived under Assyrian rule until Nabopolassar revolt with success against the Assyrian yoke. As may be noted, this inscription is telling us the total length for every Neo-Babylonian king (95 years including the years of the Assyrian kings) How does this text help us to date this years in our calendar? Further in the text, it is said that Adad-guppi died in the 9 th year of Nabonidus. If his 17 th year was 539 BC, his 9 th is 546 BC so you just have to add the years of the Babylonian kings counting backwards. Nabonidus 9 years, Neriglissar 4 years, Awel-Merodach 2 years and Nebuchadnezzar 43 years. (9+4+2+43=58 years) So if we add to 546 BC (Nabonidus 9 th year) 58 years we have got the year 604 BC as the Nebuchadnezzars first year. And his 18 th year when he destroyed Jerusalem was 587/6 BC.

  The watchtower magazine mentioned above was written in 1969 and it quotes a stale which was found in 1906 when there is a better and undamaged duplicate of the same ancient text discovered in 1956.

  The last quotation comes from the following watchtower:

  *** w77 12/15 747 Insight on the News *** Claudius Ptolemya Fraud

  How certain can we be of the presently accepted chronology of the ancient Babylonian Empire? For many years, chronologists have put heavy reliance on the king list of Claudius Ptolemy, a second-century Greek scholar often considered the greatest astronomer of antiquity.

  However, in his new book The Crime of Claudius Ptolemy, the noted physicist Robert R. Newton of Johns Hopkins University offers proof that many of Ptolemys astronomical observations were deliberately fabricated to agree with his preconceived theories so that he could claim that the observations prove the validity of his theories.

  In its comments on Newtons book, Scientific American magazine notes : Ptolemys forgery may have extended to inventing the length of reigns of Babylonian kings. Since much modern reconstruction of Babylonian chronology has been based on a list of kings that Ptolemy used to pinpoint the dates of alleged Babylonian observations, according to Newton all relevant chronology must now be reviewed and all dependence upon Ptolemys [king] list must be removed. October 1977, p. 80.

  These findings illustrate why secular history and chronological reckoning cannot be relied upon when they conflict with the Bible. Unlike secular historians, the Bible writers had nothing to gain by misrepresenting the facts. Also, what they wrote became part of all Scripture that is inspired of God.2 Tim. 3:16.

  The Society says that the quotation is taken from the Scientific American magazine. Well, the quotation comes from the Newtons book The Crime of Claudius Ptolemy page 375. The full page says the following:

  -720 March 19, and we would sti11 have the same apparent verification of the king list.

  It follows that Ptolemy's king list is useless in the study of chronology, and that it must be ignored. What is worse, much Babylonian chronology is based upon Ptolemy's king 1ist. All relevant chronology must now be reviewed and all dependence upon Ptolemy's list must be removed.

  Luckily, the later part of his king list has independent verification. I mentioned in Section VIII.8 that there is a Babylonian record of the lunar eclipse of -522 July 16, which is one of the eclipses that Ptolemy fabricated. More accurately, I should have said that there is a Babylonian record of a lunar eclipse in the 7th year of Kambyses, which is the same year that Ptolemy states. The document was published by Kugler

  [1907, pp. 70-71J and the astronomical observations in it are analysed in APO, Chapters IV, X, and XIV. The document gives

  the times magnitudes of two lunar eclipses a conjunction of Mercury with the moon, 5 statements of the dates when Venus had its first or last vislbl1lty after or before passing the sun, and 4 such statements for Mars. If we assume that the 7th year of Kambyses began in the spring of -522, the times and magnitudes of the lunar eclipses agree fairly well with the stated values, 3 statements about Venus are accurate whl1e

  2 are impossible, and 3 statements about Mars are accurate while 1 is impossible. The most likely situation is that the year is -522/-521 and that there are some scribal errors in the record. Nonetheless, the confirmation of the year is not as strong as we would 11ke.

  However, there is another document from the 37th year of Nebuchadrezzar* [Neugebauer and Weidner, 1915J. According to Ptolemy's list, this year began in the spring of -567. The document records 9 measurements of the times of moonrise or moonset, 5 times of conjunctions of the moon with specified stars, plus 1 conjunction of Mercury, 2 of Venus, and 3 of Mars, all with specified stars. When I analyse these on the assumption that the year is -567/-566, I find that the times of moonrise or moonset agree with calculated values within about 1O minutes. The longitudes of the moon and planets inferred from the conjunctions agree with calculated values within lo or less for most observations, although there is a discrepancy of about 3 for one lunar conjunction .

  Thus we have quite strong confirmation that Ptolemy's list is correct for Nebuchadrezzar, and reasonable confirmation for Kambyses. Since the beginning of Nebuchadrezzar's reign takes us back to -603 lf -567 is correct for his 37th

  year, it seems likely that any error in Ptolemy's list is no more than a few years for dates after -603. So far as I know, there is no astronomical confirmation for earlier dates.

  I have not attempted to study the evidence aval1able from sources other than Ptolemy for earlier years.

  The other eclipses is -521 January lo.

  *1 believe that English-speaking Assyriologists now prefer

  this spelling to the traditional Nebuchadnezzar.

  So according to Mr. Newton, he agrees that the Nebuchadnezzars first year was 603 BC so take a pencil a paper and calculate yourself his 18 th year when he destroyed Jerusalem.

  When a writer is quoting another, he may misquote. It is something that happens frequently but in the case of the Society this misquotation has been deliberately to deceive people. I do not believe that the Society was quoting not knowing her error. Furthermore, I wrote to the Society long time ago comparing the mentioned text and Have you seen any correction? Neither have I.
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  The Society requires you to die

  by ServetMiguel in

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  there is a little known booklet called "preparing for child custody cases" which on page 55 says the following:.

  preparation for psychological or psychiatric evaluation.

  about the practice of his religiol1, al1d that he is l1ot merely parroting the expressions that you have provided for him.

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  There is a little known booklet called "Preparing for child custody cases" which on page 55 says the following:

  PREPARATION FOR PSYCHOLOGICAL OR PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION about the practice of his religiol1, al1d that he is l1ot merely parroting the expressions that you have provided for him. If your child is to be tested, you should also try to prepare him or her to face the experience with an open al1d positive attitude. 5. If you do not understand a question, ask for clarification. If you are asked a question you do not understand or if you feel that the interviewer is getting at something other thal1 what is stated, you should calmly ask the evaluator to restate or rephrase the question so that you may provide an accurate answer. 6. You may be asked questions about your refusal to take blood or blood products. You may be questioned about whether you would permit your child to die because of your refusal to consent to a blood transfusion. Rather than just explaining your hope in your child's resurrection in Gods new world and deemphasizing the importance of your childs life il1 this system, show a balanced view and state in positive terms the medical steps that you would take to assure the child had the best possible medical treatment available. Be prepared to discuss with the evaluator specific alternative medical treatments which would be available to the child if some doctor was of the opinion that blood was needed. You do not want to give the impression that your religion requires you to allow your child to die should a medical emergency arise. I believe that this is the only clear statement from a Society publication where it is stated so clearly that a witness should die rather reciving a blood tranfusion And this decision is approved by Watchtower Society or using her terminology "your religion, the Watchtower Society, requires you to die without a blood transfusion. Did they notice that what Jesus did for making for a universal blood transfusion for our sins?
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  Are the JW´s saying the truth about their UN?

  by ServetMiguel in

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  4:4; john 17:14. .

  isaiah the prophet was inspired to say to judah: therefore hear the word of jehovah, you braggarts, you rulers of this people who are in jerusalem: because you men have said: we have concluded a covenant with death; and with sheol we have effected a vision; the overflowing flash flood, in case it should pass through, will not come to us, for we have made a lie our refuge and in falsehood we have concealed ourselves.isaiah 28:14, 15. .

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  4:4; john 17:14. .

  isaiah the prophet was inspired to say to judah: therefore hear the word of jehovah, you braggarts, you rulers of this people who are in jerusalem: because you men have said: we have concluded a covenant with death; and with sheol we have effected a vision; the overflowing flash flood, in case it should pass through, will not come to us, for we have made a lie our refuge and in falsehood we have concealed ourselves.isaiah 28:14, 15. .

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  Are the Jehovahs Witnesses saying the truth about their relation with the United Nations?

  To have a clear idea what the Society thinks about the United Nations, we may read the following in the book Proclaimers pag. 192-193.

  *** jv 192-3 14 "They Are No Part of the World" *** A Political Expression of Gods Kingdom?

  A peace treaty, including the Covenant of the League of Nations, was signed in Versailles, France, on June 28, 1919. Even before that peace treaty was signed, the Federal Council of the Churches of Christ in America went on record as proclaiming that the League would be the political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth. And the U.S. Senate received an avalanche of mail from religious groups urging it to ratify the Covenant of the League of Nations.

  Jehovahs Witnesses did not jump on the bandwagon. Even before the peace treaty was confirmed (in October), J. F. Rutherford gave a discourse at Cedar Point, Ohio, on September 7, 1919, in which he showed that not the League of Nations but the Kingdom set up by God himself is the only hope for distressed humanity. While acknowledging that a human alliance to improve conditions could accomplish much good, those Bible Students were not turning their backs on Gods own Kingdom in exchange for a political expedient set up by politicians and blessed by the clergy. Instead, they undertook the work of giving a global witness concerning the Kingdom that God had placed in the hands of Jesus Christ. (Rev. 11:15; 12:10) In The Watch Tower of July 1, 1920, it was explained that this was the work that Jesus had foretold at Matthew 24:14.

  Once again, following World War II, Christians were faced with a similar issue. This time, it involved the United Nations, successor to the League. While World War II was still under way, in 1942, Jehovahs Witnesses had already discerned from the Bible, at Revelation 17:8, that the world peace organization would rise again, also that it would fail to bring lasting peace. This was explained by N. H. Knorr, then president of the Watch Tower Society, in the convention discourse PeaceCan It Last? Boldly Jehovahs Witnesses proclaimed that view of the developing world situation. On the other hand, Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish leaders actually shared in the deliberations in San Francisco in 1945 during which the UN Charter was drafted. To observers of these developments, it was plain who wanted to be a friend of the world and who was endeavoring to be no part of the world, as Jesus had said would be true of his disciples.Jas. 4:4; John 17:14.

  Well, they did not jump in the bandwagon. In Spanish, this sentence is slightly different because it says the following: Los Testigos de Jehova no se unieron a los apoyadores de la Sociedad de Naciones (The Jehovahs witnesses did not join to the United Nations supporters.)

  In a watchtower article is said the following:

  *** w91 6/1 15-20 Their Refuge-A Lie! *** Their RefugeA Lie!

  We have made a lie our refuge and in falsehood we have concealed ourselves.ISAIAH 28:15.

  DO THOSE words apply to Christendom today as they did to the ancient two-tribe kingdom of Judah? Surely, they do! And that parallel bodes ill for modern-day Christendom. It means that catastrophe will soon overtake that apostate religious organization.

  2 To the north of Judah was the ten-tribe kingdom of Israel. When Israel proved faithless, Jehovah allowed her to be conquered by Assyria in 740 B.C.E. Her sister kingdom, Judah, witnessed this tragic event but clearly felt that such a thing would never happen to her. Why, her leaders boasted, is not Jehovahs temple in Jerusalem? Are we not Gods favored people? Do not our priests and prophets speak in Jehovahs name? (Compare Jeremiah 7:4, 8-11.) Those religious leaders were confident that they were safe. But they were wrong! They were just as faithless as their northern kinsmen. So, what happened to Samaria would also happen to Jerusalem.

  3 In a similar way, Christendom claims to have a special relationship with God. Why, she boasts, we have tens of thousands of churches and a professional clergy, as well as hundreds of millions of adherents. We also possess the Bible, and we use the name of Jesus in our worship. Surely, we are favored by God! But what happened to ancient Jerusalem stands as a stern warning. Despite recent extraordinary political developments, we know that Jehovah will soon act decisively against Christendom and all other false religions.

  A Covenant With Death

  4 In ancient times, unfaithful Jerusalem received many warnings through Gods true prophets, but she did not believe them. Instead, she bragged that death would never take her down into Sheol, the grave, as it had taken the northern kingdom of Israel down. Isaiah the prophet was inspired to say to Judah: Therefore hear the word of Jehovah, you braggarts, you rulers of this people who are in Jerusalem: Because you men have said: We have concluded a covenant with Death; and with Sheol we have effected a vision; the overflowing flash flood, in case it should pass through, will not come to us, for we have made a lie our refuge and in falsehood we have concealed ourselves.Isaiah 28:14, 15.

  5 Yes, Jerusalems leaders thought they had an agreement, as it were, with death and Sheol so that their city would be preserved. But did Jerusalems supposed covenant with death mean that she had repented of her sins and now trusted in Jehovah for salvation? (Jeremiah 8:6, 7) Not at all! Rather, she turned to human political rulers for help. But her reliance on worldly allies was a delusion, a lie. The worldlings she trusted could not save her. And since she abandoned Jehovah, Jehovah abandoned Jerusalem. It happened just as the prophet Azariah had warned King Asa: Jehovah is with you as long as you prove to be with him; and if you search for him, he will let himself be found by you, but if you leave him he will leave you.2 Chronicles 15:2.

  6 Confident in their political alliances, Jerusalems leaders were sure that no overflowing flash flood of invading armies would come near them to disturb their peace and security. When threatened by an alliance of Israel and Syria, Judah turned to Assyria for help. (2 Kings 16:5-9) Later, when menaced by the military forces of Babylon, she appealed to Egypt for support and Pharaoh responded, sending an army to help.Jeremiah 37:5-8; Ezekiel 17:11-15.

  7 But Babylons armies were too powerful, and Egypts troops had to withdraw. Jerusalems placing confidence in Egypt proved to be a mistake, and in 607 B.C.E., Jehovah abandoned her to the destruction he had foretold. So Jerusalems rulers and priests were wrong! Their trust in worldly alliances for peace and security was a lie that was swept away by the flash flood of Babylons armies.

  Rejecting the Tried Stone

  8 Is there a parallel situation today? Yes, there is. The clergy of Christendom also feel that no calamity will overtake them. In effect, they say as Isaiah foretold: We have concluded a covenant with Death; and with Sheol we have effected a vision; the overflowing flash flood, in case it should pass through, will not come to us, for we have made a lie our refuge and in falsehood we have concealed ourselves. (Isaiah 28:15) Like ancient Jerusalem, Christendom looks to worldly alliances for security, and her clergy refuse to take refuge in Jehovah. Why, they do not even use his name, and they mock and persecute those who do honor that name. Christendoms clergy have done just what the Jewish chief priests in the first century did when they rejected Christ. They have said, in effect, We have no king but Caesar.John 19:15.

  9 Today, Jehovahs Witnesses warn that a flood of executional armies will soon sweep over Christendom. Moreover, they point to the true place of refuge from that flood. They quote Isaiah 28:16, which says: This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation. No one exercising faith will get panicky. Who is this precious cornerstone? The apostle Peter quoted these words and applied them to Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 2:6) If Christendom had sought peace with Jehovahs King, Jesus Christ, then she would have avoided the coming flash flood.Compare Luke 19:42-44.

  10 However, she has not done so. Instead, in her quest for peace and security, she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nationsthis despite the Bibles warning that friendship with the world is enmity with God. (James 4:4) Moreover, in 1919 she strongly advocated the League of Nations as mans best hope for peace. Since 1945 she has put her hope in the United Nations. (Compare Revelation 17:3, 11.) How extensive is her involvement with this organization?

  11 A recent book gives an idea when it states: No less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the worlds religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths.

  Vain Hopes for Peace

  12 One of the worlds most powerful political leaders echoed the hopes of many when he said: This generation of people on earth may witness the advent of an irreversible period of peace in the history of civilization. Was he right? Do recent developments mean that the warnings Jehovahs Witnesses have issued concerning Jehovahs execution of judgment on the nations will not come true? Are Jehovahs Witnesses wrong?

  13 No, they are not wrong. They know they are telling the truth because they put their trust in Jehovah and in the Bible, which is Gods own Word of truth. Titus 1:2 says: God . . . cannot lie. So they have full confidence that when a Bible prophecy says that a certain thing will happen, it will without fail come to pass. Jehovah himself states: So my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted.Isaiah 55:11.

  14 In the years before the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E., Jeremiah reported that the leaders were crying, There is peace! There is peace! (Jeremiah 8:11) However, that was a lie. Jerusalem was destroyed in fulfillment of the inspired warnings of Jehovahs true prophets. The apostle Paul warned that something similar would happen in our day. He said that men would be crying Peace and security! But then, he said, sudden destruction would be instantly upon them.1 Thessalonians 5:3.

  15 As we entered the 1990s, newspapers and magazines everywhere were saying that the Cold War is over and that world peace is at last in sight. But then a shooting war broke out in the Middle East. However, sooner or later the world situation will develop to the point where the cry of Peace and security! prophesied at 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3 will increase to a climax. With our hopes firmly anchored in Gods Word, we know that, as that climax is reached, Gods judgments will be executed swiftly and unerringly. No patched-up peace and security pronouncements should make us think that destruction foretold by God will not come. Jehovahs judgments are unchangeably recorded in his Word the Bible. Christendom, along with all other false religion, will be destroyed. And then Jehovahs destructive judgments will be expressed against the rest of Satans world. (2 Thessalonians 1:6-8; 2:8; Revelation 18:21; 19:19-21) Since Jehovahs Witnesses are confident that Jehovah will fulfill his word, they continue to keep on the watch under the guidance of the faithful and discreet slave class and carefully observe how world events unfold. (Matthew 24:45-47) Certainly, no peacemaking efforts of man should make us think that Jehovah has abandoned his purpose to bring a flash flood of destruction on sin-laden Christendom.

  God Is Our Refuge

  16 Some may take offense at the frankness of Jehovahs Witnesses in proclaiming this. However, when they say that Christendoms religious rulers have taken refuge in a lying arrangement, they merely relate what the Bible says. When they say that Christendom deserves punishment because she has become a part of the world, they merely report what God himself says in the Bible. (Philippians 3:18, 19) Moreover, because Christendom puts her confidence in the schemes proposed by this world, she actually supports the god of this world, Satan the Devil, who Jesus said is the father of the lie.John 8:44; 2 Corinthians 4:4.

  17 Therefore, Jehovahs Witnesses declare: As for us, we do not encourage false hopes of world peace because of the changing political scene. Instead, we echo the words of the psalmist: God is a refuge for us. . . . The sons of earthling man are an exhalation, the sons of mankind are a lie. When laid upon the scales they are all together lighter than an exhalation. (Psalm 62:8, 9) Human schemes to promote and preserve Christendom and the rest of this system of things are a falsehood, a lie! All of them put together have no more power to forestall Jehovahs purposes than does a mouthful of hot air!

  18 Jehovahs Witnesses also quote Psalm 33, verses 17 to 19, which declares: The horse [of Egypt, symbolizing warfare] is a deception for salvation, and by the abundance of its vital energy it does not afford escape. Look! The eye of Jehovah is toward those fearing him, to those waiting for his loving-kindness, to deliver their soul from death itself, and to preserve them alive in famine. Today, true Christians trust in Jehovah and in his heavenly Kingdom, the only arrangement that can bring permanent peace.

  Christendom a Trampling Place

  19 To trust any man-made substitute for Gods Kingdom makes that substitute an image, an object of worship. (Revelation 13:14, 15) Thus, encouraging reliance on political institutions, such as the United Nations, for peace and security is an illusion, a lie. Concerning such objects of false hopes, Jeremiah says: His molten image is a falsehood, and there is no spirit in them. They are vanity, a work of mockery. In the time of their being given attention they will perish. (Jeremiah 10:14, 15) Therefore, the war-horses of antitypical Egypt, that is, the military-political might of the nations today, will not protect the religious realm of Christendom in her day of crisis. The alliance of Christendoms religions with this world will surely fail to protect them.

  20 Christendom rested her hopes in the League of Nations, but it was overturned even without the coming of Armageddon. Now she has transferred her allegiance to the United Nations. But it will soon have to face the war of the great day of God the Almighty, and it will not survive. (Revelation 16:14) Even a revived UN can never bring peace and security. Gods prophetic Word shows that the United Nations organization with its member nations will battle with the Lamb [Christ in Kingdom power], but, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them.Revelation 17:14.

  21 Jehovahs Witnesses confidently say that there is no salvation for Christendom in her alliances with Satans world. And when they say this, they are merely pointing out what the Bible itself says. Isaiah 28:17, 18 quotes Jehovah as saying: I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the leveling instrument; and the hail must sweep away the refuge of a lie, and the waters themselves will flood out the very place of concealment. And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes throughyou must also become for it a trampling place.

  22 When Jehovahs judicial decision is carried out, it will be according to perfect justice. And Christendoms basis for confidence, her covenant with Death, will be completely swept away as if by a flash flood. Isaiah goes on to say: Morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking to make others understand what has been heard. (Isaiah 28:19) How terrifying it will be for onlookers to witness the full power of Jehovahs judgment! How awful for Christendoms clergy and their followers to find out, too late, that they have trusted in a lie!

  Jehovahs Name a Strong Tower

  23 But what of Jehovahs Witnesses? Even in the face of international hatred and persecution, they persist in keeping separate from the world. They never forget that Jesus said of his followers: They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. (John 17:16) Throughout these last days, they have put their trust in Jehovahs Kingdom, not in human schemes. Therefore, Christendoms calamity will not cause Jehovahs Witnesses to be terrified. As Isaiah foretold: No one exercising faith will get panicky.Isaiah 28:16.

  24 Proverbs 18:10 says: The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous runs and is given protection. We therefore invite all sheeplike persons to take refuge in Jehovah and in his Kingdom by Christ. As a concealment place, Jehovah is no falsehood! His Kingdom by Christ is no lie! Christendoms refuge is a lie, but the refuge of true Christians is the truth. (June 1, 1991 pag. 17)

  Have they been firm to these ideals. Let us see.

  Paul Hoeffel who is Chief of the NGO section at the Department of Public Information at the United Nations headquarters wrote the following e-mail to me:

  11 October 2001

  To Whom It May Concern:

  Recently the NGO Section had been receiving numerous inquiries regarding the association of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York with the Department of Public Information (DPI). This organization applied for association with DPI in 1991 and was granted association in 1992. By accepting association with DPI, the organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities.

  In October 2001, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York requestedtermination of its association with DPI. Following this request, the DPI has made a decision to disassociate the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York as of 9 October 2001.

  We appreciate your interest in the work of the United Nations.

  Yours sincerely,

  Paul Hoeffel

  Chief

  NGO Section

  Department of Public Information

  After this, I wrote to Bethel in London and this is what I received:

  BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF BRITAIN

  THE RIDGEWAY LONDON NW7 1 RN

  TELEPHONE 020 ~ 2211

  EF January 4, 2002

  Mr J A

  43 Wil Cre

  EASTBOURNE

  BN22 8RB

  Dear Mr Alvarez

  We are pleased to respond to your letter of December 25, 2001, wherein you inquire

  about the Watch Tower Society's former registration with the United Nations as an NGO

  (nongovernmental organisation) with the UN's Department of Public Information (DPI).

  Our purpose for registering with the Department of Public Information as an NGO in

  1991 was to have access to research material available on health, ecological, and social

  problems at the United Nations library facilities. We had been using the library for many

  years prior to 1991, but in that year it became necessary to register as an NGO to have

  continued access. Registration papers filed with the United Nations that we have on file

  contain no statements that conflict with our Christian beliefs. Moreover, NGOs are informed

  by the United Nations that "association of NGOs with the DPI does not constitute their

  incorporation into the United Nations system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or

  their staff to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status."

  Still, the Criteria for Association of NGOs-at least in their latest version-contain

  some language that we cannot subscribe to. When we realised this, we immediately

  withdrew our registration. We are grateful that this matter was brought to our attention.

  For a balanced view of the United Nations organisation, please see The Watchtower of

  October 1, 1995, page 7, of which a photocopy is enclosed.

  We are glad to provide the above comments in answer to your inquiry With this reply

  we send our best wishes and Christian regards.

  Yours sincerely,

  Enclosure

  From this letter, we can learn the following reasons:

  • Our purpose for registering with the Department of Public Information as an NGO in1991 was to have access to research material available on health, ecological, and social problems at the United Nations library facilities.
  • Registration papers filed with the United Nations that we have on file contain no statements that conflict with our Christian beliefs.
  • Moreover, NGOs are informed by the United Nations that "association of NGOs with the DPI does not constitute their incorporation into the United Nations system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status."

  Let us check each statement individually.

  Our purpose for registering with the Department of Public Information as an NGO in1991 was to have access to research material available on health, ecological, and social problems at the United Nations library facilities.

  When somebody reads the quotation above, he or she may think that there is any other place to get access to the U.N library. This is a smoke curtain because the UN has what it is called Depositary Libraries round the world Please, go the following link: http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/deplib/index.html

  Please, read carefully the first paragraph:

  Since 1946, the Dag Hammarskjld Library has arranged for the distribution of United Nations documents and publications to users around the world through its depository library system. At present, there are 408 depository libraries in 145 countries receiving these materials, with the understanding that their collections will be maintained in good working order and be available to the public free of charge .

  To learn more, read the Principles Governing the UN Depository Libraries at the same link.

  Registration papers filed with the United Nations that we have on file contain no statements that conflict with our Christian beliefs.

  It is a pity that we can not have access to the Registration papers. There is a UN policy which says that those papers are confidential. But is there another way to know that this statement is correct? Yes, there is.

  First, we have to keep in mind that the Society was using the UN library facilities freely prior 1991 and it was in 1992 when she has got her DPI card. (See the letters above). Well, the UN has got a Press Release for the Department of Public Information (DPI) for information media. Here you are the Press Release for the year 1992. Remember, this is the year when the Society got her DPI status.

  NGO/211

  PI/770 /

  7 August 1992

  FORTY -FOUR ORGANlZATIONS GRANTED ASSOCIATION STA'IUS WITH DPI

  The Department of Public Information (DPI) this week granted association status to 44 non-governmental organizations (NGOs) from 14 countries.

  Of the 44 organisations accepted, 24 were from the United States three each from Canada and the Republic of Korea two each from Italy, the Russian Federation and the United Kingdom, and one each from Costa Rica, India, Israel, Japan, Netherlands, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Switzerland.

  The organizations accepted include the Canadian Institute of Strategic Studies (Canada); the Fulbright Association (United States); Fusen Heishi No Kai (Veterans against War, Japan); the Indian Council of World Affairs (India); the International Association of Women Police (United States); the International Conversion Foundation (Russia); the Pakistan Women Lawyers' Association (Pakistan) ; and Peace Child International (Netherlands) .

  Ten applications were rejected by DPI, and the association of one inactive NGO was terminated.

  The NGOs officially recognized by DPI cooperate with the United Nations to help build public understanding and support for United Nations programmes and goals. Over the past five years, the number of NGOs associated with DPI has nearly doubled, to more than 1,300.

  To be granted association status with DPI, NGOs must be not-for profit organizations with recognized national or international standing support the Charter of the United Nations have broadly based membership and possess the resources necessary for effective outreach.

  The last two paragraphs are very interesting:

  The NGOs officially recognized by DPI cooperate with the United Nations to help build public understanding and support for United Nations programmes and goals. Over the past five years, the number of NGOs associated with DPI has nearly doubled, to more than 1,300.

  To be granted association status with DPI, NGOs must be not-for profit organizations with recognized national or international standing support the Charter of the United Nations have broadly based membership and possess the resources necessary for effective outreach.

  I do not have to comment anything because it is obvious what the Press Release says. It is very easy to see what was the policy to get the DPI status in 1992.

  In this page: http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm we may find the official page for the NGOs and DPI. I will copy below the most interesting part. (All the blanket letters are mine)

  When did the DPI relationship with NGOs begin?

  The importance of working with and through NGOs as an integral part of United Nations information activities was recognized when the Department of Public Information was first established in 1946. The General Assembly, in its resolution 13 (I), instructed DPI and its branch offices to:

  "...actively assist and encourage national information services, educational institutions and other governmental and non-governmental organizations of all kinds interested in spreading information about the United Nations. For this and other purposes, it should operate a fully equipped reference service, brief or supply lecturers, and make available its publications, documentary films, film strips, posters and other exhibits for use by these agencies and organizations."

  In 1968, the Economic and Social Council, by Resolution 1297 (XLIV) of 27 May, called on DPI to associate NGOs, bearing in mind the letter and spirit of its Resolution 1296 (XLIV) of 23 May 1968, which stated that an NGO "...shall undertake to support the work of the United Nations and to promote knowledge of its principles and activities, in accordance with its own aims and purposes and the nature and scope of its competence and activities

  The Economic and Social Council, by Resolution 1297 (XLIV) of 27 May of 1968, it may be found at the following address: http://www.un.org/partners/civil_society/docs/ngo1297.htm#top

  The paragraph six says the following:

  6. Recommends that the Secretary-General bear in mind the letter and spirit of Council resolution 1296 (XLIV) governing consultative status, in associating international and national non-governmental organizations with the Office of Public Information.

  The resolution 1296 (XLIV) may be found at the following link: http://www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/ngo-un/info/res-1296.htm

  Please check the following:

  Part I

  PRINCIPLES TO BE APPLIED IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF CONSULTATIVE RELATIONS

  The following principles shall be applied in establishing consultative relations with non-governmental organizations

  1. The organization shall be concerned with matters falling within the competence of the Economic and Social Council with respect to international economic, social, cultural, educational, health, scientific, technological and related matters and to questions of human rights.

  2. The aims and purposes of the organization shall be in conformity with the spirit, purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

  3. The organization shall undertake to support the work of the United Nations and to promote knowledge of its principles and activities, in accordance with its own aims and purposes and the nature and scope of its competence and activities.

  So, when the Society claims that the Criteria for Association of NGOs-at least in their latest version-contain some language that we cannot subscribe to. When we realised this, we immediately withdrew our registration. (See the letter above).

  As you may notice, since 1968, the same language is used to be granted with a DPI status. I mean:

  "What are the Criteria for NGOs to become associated with DPI?"

  Organizations eligible for association with DPI are those which:

  Share the ideals of the UN Charter;

  Operate solely on a not-for-profit basis;

  Have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;

  Have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins, and pamphlets; organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting the cooperation of the media (http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm)

  The policy has not change as the Society wants us to believe. If you check all the sources, you may notice that it mentions that the ONG should support or share the United Nations Charter. One question may be what the Charter says. Well, if you are interested you may go to: http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/ch-cont.htm and read the whoe Chapter VII, you will be not disappointed:

  Charter of the United Nations

  Chapter VII

  Action with respect to threats to the peace, breaches of the peace, and acts of aggression

  Article 39

  The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

  Article 40

  In order to prevent an aggravation of the situation, the Security Council may, before making the recommendations or deciding upon the measures provided for in Article 39, call upon the parties concerned to comply with such provisional measures as it deems necessary or desirable. Such provisional measures shall be without prejudice to the rights, claims, or position of the parties concerned. The Security Council shall duly take account of failure to comply with such provisional measures.

  Article 41

  The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions, and it may call upon the Members of the United Nations to apply such measures. These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of diplomatic relations.

  Article 42

  Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.

  Article 43

  1. All Members of the United Nations, in order to contribute to the maintenance of international peace and security, undertake to make available to the Security Council, on its call and in accordance with a special agreement or agreements, armed forces, assistance, and facilities, including rights of passage, necessary for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security.

  2. Such agreement or agreements shall govern the numbers and types of forces. their degree of readiness and general location, and the nature of the facilities and assistance to be provided.

  3. The agreement or agreements shall be negotiated as soon as possible on the initiative of the Security Council. They shall be concluded between the Security Council and Members or between the Security Council and groups of Members and shall be subject to ratification by the signatory states in accordance with their respective constitutional processes.

  Article 44

  When the Security Council has decided to use force it shall, before calling upon a Member not represented on it to provide armed forces in fulfillment of the obligations assumed under Article 43, invite that Member, if the Member so desires, to participate in the decisions of the Security Council concerning the employment of contingents of that Member's armed forces.

  Article 45

  In order to enable the United Nations to take urgent military measures Members shall hold immediately available national air-force contingents for combined international enforcement action. The strength and degree of readiness of these contingents and plans for their combined action shall be determined, within the limits laid down in the special agreement or agreements referred to in Article 43, by the Security Council with the assistance of the Military Staff Committee.

  Article 46

  Plans for the application of armed force shall be made by the Security Council with the assistance of the Military Staff Committee .

  Article 47

  1. There shall be established a Military Staff Committee to advise and assist the Security Council on all questions relating to the Security Council's military requirements for the maintenance of international peace and security, the employment and command of forces placed at its disposal, the regulation of armaments, and possible disarmament.

  2. The Military Staff Committee shall consist of the Chiefs of Staff of the permanent members of the Security Council or their representatives. Any Member of the United Nations not permanently represented on the Committee shall be invited by the Committee to be associated with it when the efficient discharge of the Committee's responsibilities requires the participation of that Member in its work.

  3. The Military Staff Committee shall be responsible under the Security Council for the strategic direction of any armed forces placed at the disposal of the Security Council. Questions relating to the command of such forces shall be worked out subsequently.

  4. The Military Staff Committee, with the authorization of the Security Council and after consultation with appropriate regional agencies, may establish regional subcommittees .

  Article 48

  1. The action required to carry out the decisions of the Security Council for the maintenance of international peace and security shall be taken by all the Members of the United Nations or by some of them, as the Security Council may determine.

  2. Such decisions shall be carried out by the Members of the United Nations directly and through their action in the appropriate international agencies of which they are members.

  Article 49

  The Members of the United Nations shall join in affording mutual assistance in carrying out the measures decided upon by the Security Council.

  Article 50

  If preventive or enforcement measures against any state are taken by the Security Council, any other state, whether a Member of the United Nations or not, which finds itself confronted with special economic problems arising from the carrying out of those measures shall have the right to consult the Security Council with regard to a solution of those problems.

  Article 51

  Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defense shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

  According to the original Charter of the United Nations dated in 1945, The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions (Article 41) but if it does not work the use of armed forces are justified (Article 42 through 51) So, How can the Society may say that the Criteria for Association of NGOs-at least in their latest version-contain some language that we cannot subscribe to. when the support to an armed force action is a part of the Charter of the United Nations which the Society compromised to support it.

  Moreover, NGOs are informed by the United Nations that "association of NGOs with the DPI does not constitute their incorporation into the United Nations system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status."

  The sentence above, it is found in: http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm which says the following:

  Please note : Association of NGOs with DPI does not constitute their incorporation into the United Nations system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status .

  But what it fails to mention that two paragraphs above it says the following:

  "What are the Criteria for NGOs to become associated with DPI?"

  Organizations eligible for association with DPI are those which:

  Share the ideals of the UN Charter;

  Operate solely on a not-for-profit basis;

  Have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;

  Have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins, and pamphlets; organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting the cooperation of the media.

  We have to be very carefully because the witnesses will try to convince us that we are interpreting the documents. I wrote the following e-mail to an active witness who has a web page defending his group. The page is the following: http://hector3000.future.easyspace.com/ and my e-mails with him are the following:

  There is any reason to get this library card to get access to the books
  because the UN has what is called Depository Library. In these places, you
  may found nearly all the books that you may found at the UN library. This
  libraries are around the world and what you need is a library card because
  these libraries are often found in public libraries or university libraries.
  But there is any political policy or other weird thing to apply for this
  library card.

  Certainly, all the available information is not available at the depository libraries, contrary to some opposers claims. Looking at the information, I notice that the Society did not say that they registered as an NGO just to get a library card for the "main library." They stated it was to get access to research material at the UN "library facilities" or the "extensive library of the UN." This library system includes more than just the Dag Hammarskjold library. It includes DPI photo, film and audio libraries. Access to the NGO Resource Center which offers current UN documents. Access to selected meetings, briefings, seminars, conferences, film screenings, and language courses. Now do you have access to all these library resources with out an NGO pass?

  At the time of the initial application, no signature was required on the
  form. Years later, unbeknown to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses,
  the United Nations published "Criteria for Association", stipulating that
  affiliated NGO's are required to support the goals of the UN.
  After learning of the situation, our membership as NGO was withdrawn and the
  ID card was returned.
  From a reader: The WT says that the UN is the unclean thing and its not to
  be touched.
  
  The statement above is not exact because the rules to get the DPI card
  have been the same since 23 of May of 1968 which says:
  2. The aims and purposes of the organization shall be in conformity with the
  spirit, purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
  3. The organization shall undertake to support the work of the United
  Nations and to promote knowledge of its principles and activities, in
  accordance with its own aims and purposes and the nature and scope of its
  competence and activities. (ECOSOC Resolution 1296 (XLIV)
  Arrangements for Consultation with Non-Governmental Organizations)

  Did you note articles (paragraphs) 3 and 14? Did you note my mention of paragraph 12? If you did why did you not respond to the evidence they presented? This failure on your part couldn't possibly be because these paragraphs present irrefutable evidence which clearly proves that the WTS "association" was not a part of the UN, that it only needed to support the UN activities if those activities agreed with the aims and purpose of the WTS and that the WTS's participation would be limited to only the subjects it had interests in? Now could it?
  If you had noted this evidence you would realize that it completely disproves all your following contentions. There was no conflict of neutrality or any other Christian principles. There was no contradiction in the WTS's actions in this regard. There was nothing unscriptural in this "association."
  Basically, the original principles and goals expressed in the UN charter are: to maintain international peace and security; to suppress acts of aggression that threaten world peace; to encourage friendly relations among nations; to protect the fundamental freedoms of all peoples without discrimination based on race, sex, language, or religion; and to achieve international cooperation in solving economic, social, and cultural problems."
  Is there anything here which compromises our Christian beliefs? No. Many witnesses sign documents which state that we will protect the constitution or laws of the country he resides in, because there is no Christian conflict in protecting the stated principles of these governments. (More on this below).
  God is going to use the UN to destroy false religion so why shouldn't we use it to promote religious freedom and human rights as long as we do not join it. We can promote it's "ideals" without promoting it as a replacement for God's Kingdom, which is what the religions of many of these critics have blasphemously done. Too bad these opposers don't go clean up their own organizations blatant apostasy instead of picking at non-issues.
  The Society has stated: "Registration papers filed with the United Nations that we have on file contain no statements that conflict with our Christian beliefs."
  Additionally, the WTS has previously called the UN objectives "nobel." Also, there is no conflict between the WTS's purpose and the Charter's allowance for governments to take military action. The Bible clearly states that God himself has given these governments the authority to "carry the sword" and we do not deny that authority (Rom.13:4). At the same time God requires Christians to personally reject warfare.
  
  I realize that like to attack us, and these types of arguments move us AWAY from talking about the Bible, is this not so?
  Let me know if you want to talk about the Bible at anytime.
  agaph
  Heinz

  I wrote him again to answer some of his claims and this is his reply:

  No. You are misrepresenting the facts. You are improperly mixing later terminology with the terminology of the *official* documents the WTS agreed to. The actual documentation clearly shows a change from language and responsibilities which was reconcilable with the WTS aims and purposes to the latest Criteria which we could not agree with! Since there was no improper "support" promised there is no problem with "voluntarily" seeking recognition as an NGO. The WTS is to be commended for correcting this matter and even expressing their gratefulness that this was brought to their attention, even though it was brought out in a prejudicial manner.
  You cannot point to any *official* document that makes these new statements a requirement or that were accepted as part of the agreement papers given to the WTS headquarters.
  
  There is no conflict here of Neutrality as our haters make it out to be, and frankly, you7 should not be discussing things you can't even spell. The WT and RS book is dealing with *improper* "support" of political governments and warfare. The agreement by the WTS as an NGO did not call for any *improper* "support" either in political involvement nor warfare. As I pointed out earlier, Witnesses do "VOLUNTARILY" give "support" to governments and their constitutions when it falls within Scriptural mandates. Just because it uses the word "support" you force your own interpretation on this and misleadingly try to tie two very different situations together.
  The Society has always pointed out the difference between proper and improper "support." Awake! 7/22/75; 28 states: "A citizen of the United States of America who desires to travel abroad will find the following oath on a passport application: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will SUPPORT and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic...and that I take this obligation freely... If anything conflicts with God's law, the Christian cannot conscientiously swear to it. Yet he might take an oath to 'SUPPORT and defend' the provisions of the law...But how might a Christian 'SUPPORT and defend' the law or the Constitution of a land granting religious liberty? By engaging only in proper and legal conduct that also harmonizes with the law of God. HE CAN ALSO DO THIS BY HIS SPOKEN WORD...No one can reasonably object to a Christian's swearing to do something that God expects him to do, and relative subjection to governmental authorities is required of Christ's followers.-Rom. 13:1." See also: w9/15/64; 551 http://hector3000.future.easyspace.com
  
  "...man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it,and carry on." -Churchill, Winston S.
  
  “But God has chosen what the world calls foolish to shame the wise; he has chosen what the world calls weak to shame the strong.” 1Cor 1:27 J.B. Phillips NT

  As you may notice, Heinzs position can not stand. It has got shaky foundations because the documents are very clear to understand.

  Do you remember that I mentioned at the beguinning the watchtower of June 1, 1991, pag 17?

  Well, on parragraph 11, it says the following:

  11 A recent book gives an idea when it states: No less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the worlds religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths.

  It is quoted a recent book but there is no mentioned of the name of the book neither its author. It took me a while to find out the source for that quotation and the book is called New Genesis by Robert Muller. On page 45, we read the following:

  "Prayer And Meditation At The United Nations

  "Prayer, meditation and spirituality at the UN are fascinating subjects. All major world religions are accredited to the United Nations as non-governmental organizations. For example, no less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the world's religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths. It is a common practice of the Unitarian-Universalists to display the United Nations flag in their houses of worship. So does the Holy Family Church, the parish church of the UN, with its international reliquary and its many religious services and activities catering to world peace and to the international community.

  The green text is the one which appears in the watchtower magazine but if you read the read one you may notice why the Society left out this portion of the text. It is curious that the Society can say that the religions are evil when they had got the same status one year later. If those 24 churches have fornicated with the Devil organisation what is the difference with the Jehovah witnesses which got the same status? Who knows perhaps they are allowed by Jehovah to do so while the ohters no can.