mind you I still don't agree with Starks idea that women played a major role in the spread of chrisitianity
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The secret of how Christianity spread across the world
by Terry inwhat i am going to say may sound nasty and mean-spirited.
i assure you it is not intended in that tone.. men are power seekers and control freaks.
without using women as drones to do the grunt work of religion.
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The secret of how Christianity spread across the world
by Terry inwhat i am going to say may sound nasty and mean-spirited.
i assure you it is not intended in that tone.. men are power seekers and control freaks.
without using women as drones to do the grunt work of religion.
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Curtains
Terry thanks for telling us your source - The rise of christianity by Rodney Stark
I understand you better and this as well because I've just started delving into a book recommended for further reading by the course I am doing - Martha c. Nussbaum's The Therapy of Desire which is based on theory and practice in Hellenistc ethics. Emotion is at the top of the list of debates. Have you read this book by any chance? It resonates with quite a few of your topics.
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The secret of how Christianity spread across the world
by Terry inwhat i am going to say may sound nasty and mean-spirited.
i assure you it is not intended in that tone.. men are power seekers and control freaks.
without using women as drones to do the grunt work of religion.
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maksym
Is this just your opinion? Can you quote sources? This sounds just like another emotional diatribe from an ex cult member. I am a student of historical Christianity. You are completey off-base. Biased in my opinion in every respect. If you want to have any weight in that statement quote your sources otherwise it is just words.
this is what I have been asking Terry. But as his assertions are so colourful and inflammatory they are very entertaining. He is a great voice for xjws and I always pay attention to him except when he makes mysognistic assertions.
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Wt Org Like an Animal Pack
by Satanus inobserving how stranglers and those who get ahead of the wt org are left or get ostricised reminded me of similar dynamics in some animal societies, lions, for instance.
lions and housecats are the only felines that form groups.
pack members who get sick or injured and become unable to keep up w the pride are left behind.
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interesting ideas satanus and I agree that jehovahs witnesses have much in common with animal packs but there are significant differences.
One outstanding difference is that the animal pack leader leads from the front, putting himself in harms way. In contrast wts leaders are hidden away, insulated and protected from danger to such an extent that they do not even know the conditon of the flock/pack.
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Translating the NWT in the Shadows
by JuanMiguel innote: the following is not meant to be construed as a recommendation but to demonstrate the sharp contrast between any authentic bible translation and the new world translation.
for those of us who participate and or read the threads on this board, i understand and appreciate that all here have different views on religion, the existence of god, and of the catholic church.
i believe each individuals convictions should be treated with the utmost respect and dignity.
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Curtains
I think the NWT needs retranslating as some of the distortions are downright embarrassing. The appendix which tries to explain why the NWT uses the name Jehovah in the NT at certain places is also embarrassing. I think it may be a good idea to write in requesting that these distortions be examined asap.
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The secret of how Christianity spread across the world
by Terry inwhat i am going to say may sound nasty and mean-spirited.
i assure you it is not intended in that tone.. men are power seekers and control freaks.
without using women as drones to do the grunt work of religion.
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wozza, I'm getting the impression that some members of JWN had very bad mothers and are basing their conclusions of women on their own bad mothers. But even in this scenario one needs to take on board the anti women stance of the WTS and the effect this would have had on your mothers.
For my own part I know that as a mother I was not a willing participant in WTS views on parenting but did the best I could in the circumstances thinking there was no other way. Much of the best I did I won't do today as my mind and heart are questioning WTS mysogny.
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Are women more spiritual then men?
by jam inbefore you women jump all over me, this is just a observation.. first of all at least in this country women out number men in religion,.
across the board,(jw,s,baptist, catholic etc.
) you walk in any church.
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murray smith
good question
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The secret of how Christianity spread across the world
by Terry inwhat i am going to say may sound nasty and mean-spirited.
i assure you it is not intended in that tone.. men are power seekers and control freaks.
without using women as drones to do the grunt work of religion.
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terry
Christianity was spread by the direct influence of women behind the men who made the world change.
proof please
terry said
Julius Ceasar may have been the greatest General Rome ever had but Cleopatra was able to persuade, cajole and entice this noble Roman
what!!! Okay I see that you are telling the story from your particular angle and simply adopting circular reasoning.
I have recently been studying Julius Casear in detail. Please tell me where you got your info
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The secret of how Christianity spread across the world
by Terry inwhat i am going to say may sound nasty and mean-spirited.
i assure you it is not intended in that tone.. men are power seekers and control freaks.
without using women as drones to do the grunt work of religion.
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Curtains
Sounds like a misogynistic rant.
I think it's more a case of men seeking power over others than anything else. I would see the woman's part through history as the same as slaves. The hope of a "heaven" or "paradise", where they are no longer in subjection.
I agree with beks but would add that perhaps not all men were so, as it was mainly the elite men who were like this. They had the power, the money and the influence and did what was good for themselves and to maintain their own postion and power. The primary sources we have were written for them and by them. The picture of Olympias, Alexander the great's mother, needs to be seen in this light.
However closer to our own time during the time of the enlightenment, educated men once again clamped down on women as very often they were drawing from the older primary sources and basing their opinions on their own mysogynistic observations. So women and slaves were lower classes because according to their circular thinking they were not seen to be doing anything else and were therefore not fit for a public life (their private lives were very restricted too). I wonder also if Miguel de Unamuno falls into this category.
However I'm not suggesting we don't read what they have to say but that when they touch upon women remember their biases. Writers who challenged stereotypical images of women and slaves were very often painted as radicals and revolutionaries and jailed/put to death or died penniless and forgotten.
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The secret of how Christianity spread across the world
by Terry inwhat i am going to say may sound nasty and mean-spirited.
i assure you it is not intended in that tone.. men are power seekers and control freaks.
without using women as drones to do the grunt work of religion.
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nickolas I'd go even further and say that if they didn't have a choice they can't be said to be willing. I'd prefer to say dissenters (which included men and women) were silenced. People then made the best of the situation that they found themselves in. This to me is not willing submission.
Terry if you are saying that religiouness incorporates traditionally feminine elements/factors (like softness, love, peace, bonding, compliance, meekness, mystery etc) more than traditionally masculine elements/factors like (solidness, pride, strength, rigidity, duty, transparency, reason, logic etc) then I would agree with you.