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  The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

  by Longlivetherenegades in

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  those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

  1. father .

  2. jesus .

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  MeanMrMustard

  @aqwsed12345:

  You said:

  Let’s begin with the principle: Veritas fidei est de necessariis ad salutem — “The truth of faith is necessary for salvation.” Now, not every truth must be explicitly believed by every individual in order to be saved (e.g., the identity of Melchizedek), but some truths are essential because they touch the very nature of the one in whom we believe — namely, God Himself.

  That's a long, fancy, round-about way of saying that belief in the Trinity is essential. Why? Because it touches on "the very nature" of God. This just proves my point. You elevate this issue, without cause, to the most essential level for salvation. There is no direct command to do this, so you sneak it in there through faith. Your first statement / principle is that your faith better be built on truth (a sentiment that both sides of the debate share), but you use it to sneak in the idea that nobody can sincerely believe and have faith unless they interpret the ambigiousness of the scriptures the same way you do. That's not the purpose of that principle.

  More proof? Ok. Next paragraph... queue the word salad.

  Faith, is not mere trust or sincerity. It is a supernatural habit infused by grace,....

  Faith is a "habit"? Word salad. Habit as in works? A "habit" that is "infused" by "grace". Again, all buzzword terms that mean something different to everyone. Terrible, if you want to clarity. Wonderful if you discussions to be "unending" and "fruitless".

  ...by which we assent to divinely revealed truths because God, ...

  So ... performing the "infused habit" causes an "assent" into "divinely revealed truths"... more word salad.

  ...who is Truth itself, has revealed them. Therefore, the object of saving faith is not merely the idea of “God in general,” nor even “Jesus as Savior” in an undefined sense — but the real God as He has revealed Himself to us. The more essential the truth is to God's identity, the more closely it pertains to the virtue of faith.

  I always figured the object of "saving faith" (as opposed to faith that is unsaving) is to bring about ... the salvation of people.

  But here you weave it back into the way "God has revealed Himself" and therefore back into proving my point. Yay.

  This is why the Trinity matters. God has revealed Himself not merely as a solitary monad, nor merely as acting through Jesus, but as one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

  And the other side is saying the exact opposite, with all sincerity. All because the words you use, and the terms they have known, mean different things to different people. Also, people have good reasons, sincere, reasons to think their definitions of things like "life", "death", "nature", "essence", "person", etc. are the right ones.
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  The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity

  by Longlivetherenegades in

  1. watchtower
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  those who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .

  1. father .

  2. jesus .

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  MeanMrMustard

  @Halcon:

  Not that it's wrong to try... but yeah.

  But this argument persists because it's somehow viewed as a fundamental condition (either to believe or not, depending on the group) of Christianity.

  In other words, this argument is "unending" and "fruitless" because, win or lose, there's no fruit to be claimed at victory.

  Also, nobody defines terms. I'm not talking about defining the Trinity itself. Rather, define "person", "essence", "death", what it means to be "fully" anything, what it means to be "the son of" anything, etc.

  Those terms should be talked about first. Both sides quote the same scripture at each other, using these terms, and then mic dropping each time. The other side reads the arguments in the context of their definitions, and simply concludes they the people making the arguments are stupid.

  On and on and on..... weeeeeeeeeee
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  First Time Ever..

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i received a phone call from a jw inviting me to the "special talk.

  " in 25 years out, never happened, don't know them, phone # nowhere near me and it was like she was reading from a script.

  i hung up... any one else?.

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  MeanMrMustard

  I get a lot of Medicare scams. I usually answer and see how far I can get. I have a fake name, birthdate, Medicare card number (dead give away when they ask for this - or the heavy Indian accent). I've had a few cable service scams, and those guys are a bit more entertaining when you play with them (give them fake confirm numbers, etc).
  
  But, I'm looking for new caller types... If JWs are cold calling, it's not a scam in the same way as Medicare or cable, but there has to be a way to play around with them a bit... I feel like if they are calling my phone, it's fair game.
  
  You could always scare them by saying they are violating federal law by calling a number on the do-not-call list, and then state you have their number and will be informing the authorities... see what that does.
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  I was going to write a new topic ... but now I just can't be bothered

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was going to write a new topic but now i just can't be bothered ... and i'll tell you why.. on my facebook feed a few days ago, i saw an interview of a couple of onlyfans girls, who said that they were active christians that attended church weekly.

  and while i was going to spend some time writing about the virtues of our faith's strict moral standards ... i now understand that i'd only be flamed as a watchtower apologist.. that being said, out of the approximately 4 million onlyfan girls out there ... it obvious, that none are jehovah's witnesses..

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  MeanMrMustard

  Sorry to tell you this, but I know several Jehovah's Witnesses girls under the age of 25 who are OnlyFans girls.

  And the rest of them are on OnlyFeet.
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  Is jehovahs-witness.com legitimately and reliably independent of WTB&TS and peripheral, aligned entities?

  by great-trivialization in

  1. forum
  2. links

  i am new to this forum and uncertain that this is legitimately and entirely independent of conniving jw controllers or the wtb&ts and its related entities.

  markers like the use of jw.org in the forum description and the policies seem controlled/controlling vs other xjw forums.

  this is not an accusation, it is an attempt to know enough to be comfortable with motives of the ownership and controllers of the forum.

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  MeanMrMustard

  @great-trivalization:

  If you are concerned, then do not post or give (even through private chat) any PII (personally identifyable info).

  Just keep your anon username, and interact through it alone.
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  What's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives?

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives on the jan 2025 w that is being studied today?.

  is there a point to that?.

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  MeanMrMustard

  The elders will get their instruction when they review the Shephard the Flock book, as a group. The margins are wide, and they can be told what to cite and how to interpret all the "guidance". It won't show up in any official literature - only the hand written notes of each elders individual copy, given verbally.
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  What's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives?

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
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  what's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives on the jan 2025 w that is being studied today?.

  is there a point to that?.

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  MeanMrMustard

  @thom:

  I'll do you one better: I never had a Twitter account.
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  What's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives?

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
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  what's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives on the jan 2025 w that is being studied today?.

  is there a point to that?.

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  MeanMrMustard

  Boy, am I ever glad I don't go to those damn meetings anymore!
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  "Johnny The Bethelite" - VINDICATED!

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  years ago rick fearon hosted on his six screens podcast a person identified as "johnny the bethelite" who talked about goings-on in watchtower headquarters.. johnny talked about the experiments with cart work.. johnny talked about pedophiles and child pornography in jw headquarters.. people claimed "johnny" was a fraud.

  a fake.

  cart work is everywhere.

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  MeanMrMustard

  There isn't enough time in the world to get me to go back through all the JTB posts, interviews, and shows.

  I guess the pro-JTB side was ready to play the long game... good forking lord.
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  "Johnny The Bethelite" - VINDICATED!

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  years ago rick fearon hosted on his six screens podcast a person identified as "johnny the bethelite" who talked about goings-on in watchtower headquarters.. johnny talked about the experiments with cart work.. johnny talked about pedophiles and child pornography in jw headquarters.. people claimed "johnny" was a fraud.

  a fake.

  cart work is everywhere.

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  MeanMrMustard

  But not saying anything either, on this topic. (J the B).

  Oh you mean right now - immediately. Yeah. It was years ago.

  Those were good times. Everyone excited... Rick gathered a lot of traffic to the 6 screens. But ultimately, JTB a giant scam.