Yeah, kinda like the Jussie Smolett incident happening at the same time Cory Booker and Kamala Harris wanted to push through anti-lynching legislation? Everyone was mocking it as useless, woke, virtue signaling, and then all of a sudden a noose appears.
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Call me Suspicious, but ...
by Simon inwhen the president is going somewhere to talk about an infrastructure bill, and wants support for ever more endless spending, some of which is for bridge reconstruction, having a bridge collapse on the very day and in the very place he's going just seems "too perfect", doesn't it?.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60173771.
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Coercion at its worst: religious mandated shunning
by Yomama inby patrick haeck any comments on article?.
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MeanMrMustard
From the article, concerning his decision to leave JWs:
Because we made this decision, JWs were mandated to shun us. Parents, siblings and long-time friends could no longer talk to or associate with us.
No. They could talk to him at any time, but chose not to. Each person that shuns is either believes the WT's stance or not.
If they do, then each person agrees with the WT's edict, and enforces it through their own choice.
If they do not agree, then each person, although understanding the moral assholery afoot, give in and go along with the assholery, and enforce the edict through their cowardice.
But, look, I get what he's trying to do. I just disagree with couching his goals in the moral high ground of "human rights". He wants a world in which the WT no longer engages in the assholery. And since the WT had basically told him (and us all) to go pound sand, he seeks to hand the government a giant hammer to beat them down until they are no longer assholes. If successful (and it may turn out that way in Belgium), he would have associated the idea of "prohibiting assholery" with "human rights".
I'm sure that precident would never, ever backfire later on.
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Coercion at its worst: religious mandated shunning
by Yomama inby patrick haeck any comments on article?.
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Oh, ok. That was the article title, not yours.
So I assume this:
https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/blog/coercion-at-its-worst-religious-mandated-shunning/
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Are you free if someone else makes a decision for you? If by going against the grain will garner the very same action towards yourself are you truly free?
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Where I think Government can get involved is when the Cult demands the shunning of family members.
What's the limiting factor here? And if it does get involved, is the stage set for some pretty bad unintended consequences? Is there, on net, more harm than good?This results in breaking up family networks and has a detrimental effect on Society. A family network is a positive for our society.
True, but I can think of several political ideologies that are bad for families, some explicitly set out to destroy families. Perhaps we can sue those organizations for holding such beliefs.When Cults wreck this family arrangement often the outcast members become a burden on Society
As if there sits a shiny, strong, cohesive family, and this religion (an external force) comes around and wrecks it? No, the family is made up of people, each with a choice. The hard pill to swallow, IMHO, That's the hard pill to swallow - the realization that your family doesn't actually love you like you thought they did. "Oh no, its the organization! Because my family would never do such a thing on the own." Yes they would. They do all the time. It sucks. The DFed shouldn't let them of the hook so easily.
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I see you have made several threads and posts on ‘Shunning’ so I assume this has hurt you deeply and for that I’m sorry.
Yeah, we can all agree on that.
@Yomama: We agree that the practice clearly and completely fits into the category of "assholery". But family members do have a choice. It's true that the WT is telling them that the right thing to do (in God's eyes) is to shun. Their conscience is telling them otherwise, and they have the moral agency at that point.
I think what causes the most hurt is that the DFed know this, and it's terrible to come to terms with the fact that one's own family are doing the wrong thing. All the relationships, all the nurturing that occurred during childhood, all the good times - "Why is my family doing this? They are good people! The religion is forcing them!" Yeah, that's a tough one for sure. But they are doing it, they are choosing a publishing company over you. It's on them.
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Coercion at its worst: religious mandated shunning
by Yomama inby patrick haeck any comments on article?.
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Comments:
There is a confusion between "rights" and government granted "entitlements".
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Coercion at its worst: religious mandated shunning
by Yomama inby patrick haeck any comments on article?.
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Congratulations US team, you played yourself..
by MeanMrMustard in.. so said one of the comments on the latest video from nate the lawyer:.
https://youtu.be/_f_sehu3674.
it is an interesting case of why "equal pay" isn't quite what you think it is.
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...olympic pole dancing...
Pffft, ha ha. Right. They would be the most watched, highest paid women in the world of sports. The men's pole dancing team would have some, but not nearly the amount, of popularity. Then maybe the men can sue for equal pay for "equal work". They could say stuff like, "We have to work 10 times as many poles as the women.."
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Congratulations US team, you played yourself..
by MeanMrMustard in.. so said one of the comments on the latest video from nate the lawyer:.
https://youtu.be/_f_sehu3674.
it is an interesting case of why "equal pay" isn't quite what you think it is.
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Well, they're back. The women's US soccer team isn't giving up. After losing their previous case, the US Soccer Federation decided to offer the women the EXACT same contract as the men, word-for-word. They turned it down. They've since accepted a renewed contract, and now they are back in court suing that the contract they just accepted is discriminatory and unequal.
Congats US team - you continue to play yourself.