anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.
if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.
there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?
Just to note, the hold down position that Chauvin made couldn't been too restrictive because Floyd could still talk and did so for a few minutes of being held that way.
I’ve heard a lot of people make that point. If someone says they can’t breathe, they are lying. If you can speak, you are moving air across your vocal chords. You can breathe. Add to that all the other fake complaints like “I’m claustrophobic, I can’t go in the car!” .... riiight, they just pulled him out of his own car.
anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.
if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.
there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?
If there is an acquittal and those cops get off scott free without any charges being laid, expect riots in the streets once again.
Exactly. It’s more about a perceived wrong, rather than an actual crime. So, feelings over facts. Otherwise - foolhardy. That’s really not justice.
Officers are charged with the well-being of suspects in their custody - true. But those rules are always qualified, as was brought out during the trial. Officers should take care *if circumstances allow*, or *if reasonable*, etc. The context matters. He had been resisting. He had been making excuses and lying, he had been going into fits, he was on something, the crowds were hostile. That translates into a reasonable officer at the time, in the situation, making a decision. The prosecution’s use-of-force expert said, under those conditions, it would have been reasonable to just tase him, which is a greater use of force. Technically Chauvin held back.
anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.
if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.
there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?
@Rocket: Why would it be fool hardy?
anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.
if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.
there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?
I think, in this case, the jury might not consider “beyond a reasonable doubt” as the standard. Rather, for them, it will be “beyond a reasonable doubt my city won’t burn down if I let this innocent guy go”.
anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.
if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.
there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?
Also, police often take what seem to be the unnecessarily cruel path because there are other factors non-police normally don’t consider - like the common occurs of people faking, popping up, and beating the shit out of cops.
All these threads about cops ‘not needing to escalate that quickly’ or ‘taking extreme force’ do not consider that the cops have to stay in front of the situation. They can’t risk a guy tricking them and getting them into a vulnerable situation.
anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.
if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.
there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?
Btw, I think Chauvin will be found guilty of ...something.
I agree. This may be political enough that he is found guilty of the felony murder charge. My guess is felony murder, then it get appealed. Two years from now, it will work its way up and get overturned... quietly.
anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.
if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.
there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?
The whole world has watched that video with disgust,
This is true. But like many of these situations, it is wise to wait a bit. It *looked* bad at the time. Now, as we get more context, a different picture emerges - a drastically different picture.
anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.
if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.
there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?
Not knowing anything about drugs in his system at the time of the arrest but if he was high on fentanyl he would have not been so alert and aggressive, fentanyl is stronger than heroin.
Well, he was on a mixture. The dealer was selling him meth with fentanyl. But, keep in mind, during the arrest, the cops have no idea what he has in his system. They knew he was on something, but what exactly, they would only find out later.
anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.
if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.
there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?
@snare: The prosecution’s own use-of-force expert, upon cross examination, admitted it was not excessive and authorized, given what was going on around them, and what had transpired before the video - you know, context. Let that sink in a bit. The *prosecution* put up the expert witness. That witness said that actually Chauvin could have tased Floyd up front - a more aggressive use.
anyone following the derek chauvin trial?.
if you are actually following it, not just listening to the media, you will likely realize that there is a huge gap between what is going on in court and what is being reported in the media.. if the trial was fair, i think he should be acquitted.
there is plenty of reasonable doubt about the cause of death (his dealer doesn't want to testify because he could be guilty of 3rd degree murder for selling him a fatal amount of fentanyl) and even doubt over whether the officer even had his knee on the guys neck or did anything counter to what they were meant to do as per policy.. but is it fair?
“A healthy person subjected to what Mr Floyd was subjected to, would have died,” said prosecution witness Dr Martin Tobin, a lung and critical care specialist at a veterans hospital and medical school in Chicago.
So Crowder has done this twice. Go back a few pages and watch for yourself. If I were the defense, I would bring a demonstration right into the court. Let them see that a healthy man will walk away every time.
