I know 'Grace' ( not her real name ). My brother who is the same age as her and went through school with her brought the book round for me to see the other day. I used to pioneer with her father. From what i can gather from scanning through the book it is partly based on her upbringing and part fiction. We had the tuesday group in her house when she was about the age that she is in her book. Some of the people at the KH are real, the guy with the stutter is, the old lady in the wheelchair aswell, she just changed their names slightly. She's done great, good for her!
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'The Land of Decoration' by Grace McLeen
by freshcrepes ini did a search for this author and book on this forum but couldn't find anything, so apologies if this has already been posted.
i'm surprised it hasn't got more attention here.. this book was published last month in england - i heard about it on the radio where it said that the author is an ex-jehovah's witness.. i haven't been able to confirm this anywhere else except to say that the author grew up in a fundamentalist religion.
on reading the book, while not explicitly stated, it's quite clear that the main character is a witness.. i highly recommend it - it's a novel about a child who creates a world in her room made out of various objects.
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Info For Newbies and Current Jehovah's Witnesses! Please Read!
by mentallyfree31 inexample: gravity is real.
because if 607 bce is wrong, then so is 1914 and 1918 and 1919. very simple.
so if we cannot trust secular research, then we can definitely discard the date of 607 bce.
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BRILLIANT THREAD MF31 !
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As an Ex-JW (or whatever you are) Tell Us Your Core Hope / Dream / Wish
by OnTheWayOut inwhat i ask is for some specifics.
it helps to say it, type it, get it off your chest.
read mine and maybe you will have a good idea what i mean.. i hope that i get my wife out of the jw's by all of the positive reinforcement i have given her to be an independent thinker.
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My wife is pregnant with our baby girl, it's our first child. My hope / wish is that i can be a great dad, unlike my father who was mentally and physically abusive. And that my daughter will have a normal upbringing, one that i didn't have.
I can't wait, Cheers!
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My Letter To the Watchtower
by AiAi inthis is an exact copy of my letter to the watchtower.
it never recieved a reply (i did not include 'attn writing committee' in the address however).
please keep in mind that when i wrote this i had just started my intensive research into their beliefs/history, and despite my agressive tone i really did expect a satisfactory answer.
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Great letter.
Doesn't surprise me you haven't had a reply, the WTS doesn't care about what is fact or how bogus their doctrines are. It's a publishing corporation it only cares about promoting it's product.
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If you could ask one question to an active JW to get them to open their mind about their beliefs, what would it be?
by Franklin Massey inthis question was posed to me by a poster named ice cream.
i don't know my answer yet.
it's one of those, "if you could have just one wish.." kind of questions.
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If the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is not what it represents itself to be, would you want to know?
Great question Lion Cask!
Before my parents completely shunned me i asked my mother
'If the watchtower governing body is god's FDS, dispensing food at the proper time, when is the proper time to teach error?'
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Can anyone here SEE the "Run-Away Freight train" about to "Blind-Side" the WTBTS???
by foodalls ini just got off listening to the the tape about the teh bethlelite brothers and the case a member of the anointed has filed against a congregation about an illegal disfellowshiping...and both of these "brothers" have set this organization for a very hard fall!
but!...thats not what i see from what o got from these tapes....but it will be a big contributing factor (i actually feel sorry for those poor "ignorant" elders who will be left to "flap-in-the-wind" over this!!!
)..but its what ii know is comig about all religion that know for a fact!!!
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Outlaw you make me laugh !!!
Foodalls, google CONJECTURE. On your way lad !!!
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1/1/11 WT Using One Myth to Support Another
by WalkTall ini thought this was pretty hysterical and something that i would have never noticed before i woke up.
in the jan 1 wt under the heading 'was the garden of eden a real place?
part of the reasoning they use as to why no one could find the garden of eden even though there are specifics in genesis identifying it's location is because "the flood of noah's day may have altered the topography in ways that we simply cannot know today".
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Welcome HayDay!
Exactly my reasoning, Re- Flood. Imagine the distance noah would have covered collecting two of 'every kind' of animal.
From Koala bears & Kangaroos to Polar bears & Lemurs... HUH?
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Greetings to All, No Longer Lurking
by Franklin Massey inclaustrophobic.
that's the simplest way for me to express how i feel in the wt org.
like many here, my eyes were slowly opened over the years as i did more earnest research, trying to reconcile some long standing spiritual quandaries.
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WELCOME FRANKLIN !
If you could only ask one question to an active JW to get them to open their mind about their beliefs, what would it be?
Cheers!
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New Board members within the last 1 year.....
by stuckinamovement ini can't believe the amount of new posters this board is getting.
it seems as if every day there are at least 2 to 3.. if you are a new poster, what made you decide to stop lurking and start posting?
how many of us are there that have joined in the last year?.
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I'd been a member at JWR for a while, but from reading this board felt that the members here were more friendly. I felt that the search function here was great for finding info as well, so i decided to sign up. I dont post much but i like to keep a check on what's happening here.
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Well, I just finished reading Crisis of Conscience thanks to IssacAustin!
by Botzwana ini couldn't put it down!
very informative.
i agreed with it all.
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DEBATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'CoC is not the holy Grail. It is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument! I'm surprised it still works on people'.
'IMPERFECTION OF MEN FALLACY'. You mean AD HOMINEM, which means to attack the person, to discredit them so that anything they say is to be rejected.
Ray Franz did not attack them personally, he described in detail the irreparable damage done to millions of lives, as a result of the teachings of a group of delusional psychotic pensioners, who believe themselves to be the WIZARD OF OZ.
'Imperfect men' ' God's true religion' = LOADED LANGUAGE = CULT CRITERIA = CULT!!!!!!!!! As defined by Dr Robert Lifton.
Jog on!