I'm going to set up a hotmail account so we can discuss this in private ok
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
jerome
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I'm new here
by konkreetgurl inhey everybody, i'm a christian, but i'm not a jehovah's witness and i recently made friends with one, i know little to nothing about this religion and i would like to know more, can anyone help me out by way of how it is different from say, an evangelical free christian church?
and what sort of theology and doctrine jw's go by and such, i'd really appreciate it, thank you
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I'm new here
by konkreetgurl inhey everybody, i'm a christian, but i'm not a jehovah's witness and i recently made friends with one, i know little to nothing about this religion and i would like to know more, can anyone help me out by way of how it is different from say, an evangelical free christian church?
and what sort of theology and doctrine jw's go by and such, i'd really appreciate it, thank you
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jerome
Oh no...
You and I have got to have a chat about this...
I would really like to inform you of the mistakes I made in talking to my gf, she is an active jw also.
You are in for a rough ride, that is, as soon as you become vocal about your anti watchtower beliefs your relationship will start to go down hill.
Dont let the fact that he isnt a strict jw make you think that it would make any difference in his listening to you. I have learned this all too well.
We really have to talk...
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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Could this be the start?
by jerome inwhy am typing this post: .
some of you have been following my posts and my story for a while now.
this open to all but it is mainly for the ones who have been doing just that.
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jerome
I dident use spell check, I just reread what I typed.
Anyway what strangle hold on my mind are you talking about?
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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Why be so judgemental....
by jerome ini just got through reading a thread based upon a statement from happy man.. from his post i gather that he is still an active jehovah witness.
and thinks that the good in the organisation outweighs the bad.. -----------------------------------.
why is it that when someone comes here for the first time or that when someone says something that is pro-watchtower the members of this board decend apon them like a piece of meat thrown into a kennel full of hungry dogs?.
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jerome
Ok i'll talk to you in a private e-mail.
I have to go soon so this will be breif.
I havent abandoned that quest at all, if you read my thread could this be the start you would see that is the case.
I am not a jw afraid of being found out or anything but i just dont want to give out personal info unnecessarily, cant you understand that. it is not a contradiction as you make it seem, please dont twist my words.
This thread has been hijacked but it has served its purpose to some extent.
Fear and guilt are not jw characteristics but they are HUMAN characteristics and I have no reason for guilt as yet because I have done nothing wrong but I still am being overly cautious that may be what you refer to as fear.
Why is it that no matter what explaniation I give to any of you that you somehow manage to find some missing detail or contradiction.
Couldent you just give it up, i doubt that you could point out any trouble that I have caused this board since i have come here. Attention was only drawn to my situation because of your accusations I dont really think that I have to say anything else.
First you just wanted to prove that i was a jw but now that it has become obvious that i am not you are examing the next most likely situation, that I am a fringe jw who is afraid of being caught on an apostate site.
If this is so then i would have to think that i am a really good lair to have invented such an elabourate story.Dont you see that this is point less, even though i think that I have given you fairly reasonable explaniations to all of your observations you still continue on your crusade.
If it will make you happy i may even e-mail you with more details just so that i can say that I did but by now i dont think that it will make any difference.
I cant keep running in circles forever, this has got to stop.
You say that people before me have come here with similar stories but have been more open about the details of the situation so my story dosent fit the pattern. But you have to realize that have given you all the details that i think are necessary to acheive my goal and i have found alot of helpfull information.
So lets see what is your reply to this post because there is a pattern, you make an observation and I tell you that it is not the way you make it seem and then you start to pick at some other detail that would justify your point. The pattern repeats itself over and over. My story wont change.
Lets see what detail you are going to pick out of this post now.
I really have to go now.
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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I'm new here
by konkreetgurl inhey everybody, i'm a christian, but i'm not a jehovah's witness and i recently made friends with one, i know little to nothing about this religion and i would like to know more, can anyone help me out by way of how it is different from say, an evangelical free christian church?
and what sort of theology and doctrine jw's go by and such, i'd really appreciate it, thank you
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jerome
Welcome to the board!
It is important that you do not try to shove any of this info down your friends throat or she will get very upset.
It wouldent be wise to tell her right away that you have been to an apostate site or any other site that speaks of the watchtower in any manner which is less than positive.
Rember this is very important! Dont start discussing anything with her untill you know more... OK?
Stick around for a while then mabe you will find out some facinating things about the jws.
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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Why be so judgemental....
by jerome ini just got through reading a thread based upon a statement from happy man.. from his post i gather that he is still an active jehovah witness.
and thinks that the good in the organisation outweighs the bad.. -----------------------------------.
why is it that when someone comes here for the first time or that when someone says something that is pro-watchtower the members of this board decend apon them like a piece of meat thrown into a kennel full of hungry dogs?.
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jerome
Ok its offical now the thread has been hijacked...
I knew it would happen but oh well.
I dont really have a problen with giving out info on myself but its just I know how computers work and if anyone wanted to find out who I was or who you were for that matter I think it wouldent be too difficult.
Do you really think that I am a jw? Does that make sense?
Now really SS do you still think that I am a troll?
Come on really do you?
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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Why be so judgemental....
by jerome ini just got through reading a thread based upon a statement from happy man.. from his post i gather that he is still an active jehovah witness.
and thinks that the good in the organisation outweighs the bad.. -----------------------------------.
why is it that when someone comes here for the first time or that when someone says something that is pro-watchtower the members of this board decend apon them like a piece of meat thrown into a kennel full of hungry dogs?.
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jerome
Satan your awake!
How did you like my post? you must be running late for work or something, thats if you go to work.
Oh by the way I can keep any info about myself private, dont have to tell you anything...
Dont be late.
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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Why be so judgemental....
by jerome ini just got through reading a thread based upon a statement from happy man.. from his post i gather that he is still an active jehovah witness.
and thinks that the good in the organisation outweighs the bad.. -----------------------------------.
why is it that when someone comes here for the first time or that when someone says something that is pro-watchtower the members of this board decend apon them like a piece of meat thrown into a kennel full of hungry dogs?.
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jerome
OMG I feel so ashamed...
My spelling and grammer are really that bad?
I actually live an an English speaking country but not America. I do alternate between American English and The Queens English at times. i am on an American board after all.
You dont seem to have been following the story so I think it would be better to lurk and see what reply the others who have give. I dident start this thread for that purpose.
I purposely left out the country of my origin and alot of other details.
Sentence structure? Am I doing this for a special assignment or something? Why do certain posters think that that kind of accuracy is nessary in an informal discussion?
Thats it, bye...
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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Why be so judgemental....
by jerome ini just got through reading a thread based upon a statement from happy man.. from his post i gather that he is still an active jehovah witness.
and thinks that the good in the organisation outweighs the bad.. -----------------------------------.
why is it that when someone comes here for the first time or that when someone says something that is pro-watchtower the members of this board decend apon them like a piece of meat thrown into a kennel full of hungry dogs?.
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jerome
I have now to question the intellegence of anyone now who still thinks that I am more than one poster.
You smell decption do, well if you were paying attention you would see that I really smile at any comments you make about at me still at this point.
In the beginning when I started to post I realized that people would not get the message that I was trying to convey, that was due to the fact that I was trying to type too fast and I dident edit my post, not to mention my poor expresion skills. Can you say the word Newbie.
Some of you think that I am a jw. How can any thinking person at this point still make such an assumption.
For the last month I have been showing some of you people that I have discovered alot of negative info on the WT so the more reasonably minded posters would see that no active jw could possibly have so much negatve info on the WT and still defend the organisation.
Just think would an active jw know about:
1)The UN scandle (not the libary card excuse either);
2)Vaccinations;
3)Miracle Wheat;
4)Organtransplants;
5)Blood transfusion (constantly changing);
6)Elders manual;
7)Preparing for Child Custody Cases;
8)Hitler (1934 year book);Have a collection of quotes based on:
This generation, Space travel (only one quote), New light, When Armageddon would occur, Rape, UN, What was said about 1840 and other dates, Apostates and the list goes on.
It would seem pretty silly to think that I am an active jw and know about all of these things. People would go to many lengths to prove me wrong but can any reasonable person say that any active jw knows about all of these things and is not considering the possbility of leaving and getting family out. Oh so now you probally think that i am some sort of spy... boy do I have alot of time to waste.
My writing ability does improve drastically when I am saying something important, havent you realized?
I have a problem with expression in written form so my posting here is one way for me to improve my writing skill, hasent it improved yours?
So when I don't have something important to say and i write as I like without captolizing my letters especially my i's and I dont use any comas you say that I am going from an 19 year old to a mature adult in an instant. (Yes I am 19 now.)
The reason I try somethime to write extra well is because I want to get my message across, if I write informally then you will misunderstand what I am saying, this happened alot in the begining when I dident know who to edit posts so I couldent change what I had already posted.
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OUTLAW
saintsatan
bualbee
whoever elseWhen are you going to give it up?
Ok by this point I dont think that you could think that I am a jw with the above mentioned facts.
So that must mean that you think that I am an actual troll who uses multiple accounts and different writing styles and makes personal attacks on posters to start confusion. But if you notice I havent made any personal attacks on anyone, at least not to my recollection.
If so they deserved it.If you think that I use multiple logons then ask Simon to check the logs and to see where my ip orignates, that should settle that argument.
I have said before that when I start a thread and you start making attacks on me it ammounts to hijacking the thread and that is what i see as a troll.
This thread is about attacking anyone with pro-WT statements or newbies who are still in the WT and start to defend it and look at what you are doing to the thread.
I think that some of you may have realized that you were wrong about me but you just cant admit it.
Right now i'm wondering what counter argument you have to my explaniations, would you say:
So knowing alot about the WT's past mistakes dosent mean that you are not a jw;
So what if your not a jw you stil seem here to cause trouble and draw attention to yourself as has proven to be the case;
And look your writing style changes constantly and your spelling has improved.Well I dident think that spelling a word was imporant in an informal discussion but now I see the more picky of you seem to want to find every excuse to make your point that I am a troll.
Let me demonstrate how the impression you get of m can change if I stop writing semi-formally.
What happens when you dont care to edit your post
----------------------------from the time i got hrer outlaw was on my case telling me that he can spot trouble amile away, and a whole bunch of crap that was pissing me off. larc was examing my previous post ant the time i spent online and even the hour of the day and giving me the third degree. i think that even now lark has realised that there si some truth to my story and he has goten off my case. bualbee seems to believ me at temes but then when i start a thread containd anything resembling a pro watchtower statment like this she gets back on the hate jerome band waggon. saintsatan really seems to think that i am a deceptive an dishonest person i wonder how much time he spends online he probally spends the least of the lot of them, so mabe i think that is why he still thinks that i am a jw, right now he thinks that i am typing this post to lead people off track. now we get to outlaw self apointed troll patroll headman (or so it would seem), nothing you say can change his mind he seems to be a very bitter man that wants to get back at anything supporting the wt. let me see if i can imitate him,
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HAHA!So jerome or should I say happy man,you think you can fool us don't you....you'll have to do better than that,we can smell a TROLL amile away!!!!HAHA LOL...OUTLAW
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with a litle practice i think that i can get OUTlaw's style perfected.------------------------------------
Someone once said that they would e-mail me some capitols. LOL
Now do you see how difficult that was to read? Do you see how it seems as if I was another person?
That is why my writing style changes, when I have something important to say I put extra effort in to my writing, but when it dosen't matter I dont use much punctuation or even bother to edit my post.This thread isnt about me its about people jumping on anyone with a pro WT statement.
Someone above quoted me as saying that the whole world is anti-WT, I would like to correct that person because I know better than that, people dont really care much about them, I for sure dident care about them until recently.Ok that's it I dont have anything else to say.
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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Why be so judgemental....
by jerome ini just got through reading a thread based upon a statement from happy man.. from his post i gather that he is still an active jehovah witness.
and thinks that the good in the organisation outweighs the bad.. -----------------------------------.
why is it that when someone comes here for the first time or that when someone says something that is pro-watchtower the members of this board decend apon them like a piece of meat thrown into a kennel full of hungry dogs?.
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jerome
I just got through reading a thread based upon a statement from happy man.
From his post I gather that he Is still an active Jehovah Witness. And thinks that the good in the Organisation outweighs the bad.
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Why is it that when someone comes here for the first time or that when someone says something that is pro-Watchtower the members of this board decend apon them like a piece of meat thrown into a kennel full of hungry dogs?
When I first came here I thought that the members of this board were being a little bit too judgemental in their approach to the Watchtower Organisation. Even though I now know why they have this attitude the organisation there is no need to display this attitude to a newcomer to the board. i got this impression because pratically nothing good is said about the WTBS on this board. Well some of you do take the time to address the positive aspects of the Organisation but when that happens it usually ends up with the thread being hijacked with accusations made against the person in question who has been making the positive statements. We can all agree that the WT cannot be ALL bad (well at least I think we can) so why is it that when someone makes a positive statemen regarding the WT, especially someone who is a newcomer to the board or claims to be an active witness that such a response is provoked.
Rather than politely informing people whom still believe that the Organisation has more truth in it than bad because of its public teachings, that this may only be just the outward appearance and that they should look into matters more deeply and they might then see why people hold unto such strong vocal anti-witnes sentimates (sp?), you jump on the person and just bombard them with negative info regarding the WT. I learned from this board that that is not the right way to approach the situation. By so strongly expressing your anti-WT opionions you only more prove the point that the World as a whole against the teachings of the witnesses.
I know that people here are still suffering from the pain of leaving the Organisation and that causes them to loose their objectivity in discussing anti-WT related issues but cant people just realize sometimes that this dogmatic attitude towards thes said issues is what causes people to revert further into the Organisation.
We all like to be sure about what we are saying but being judgemental dosent seem to work when talking to a witness.
This Organisation seems to be very caple of providing anwsers for evry question that you can possibly seem to bring up so when you present an argument that you have used to come to a conclusion that you are certain of and then the witness or person begining to study goes back to the WT and finds out that what you are saying may not be totally true according to and them a seemingly logical explaination for the question presented it may only cause you to loose credibility.So in future when dealing with people who seem to still have pro-witness attitudes do we really have to start stating the conclusion conclusions that we have already come to after much thought and research wouldent it be best to present them as opinions rather than judgement? { The last statement obviously applys to people who do not yet have all the information} Sure they may be facts but there is always another side to the story.
Is this a board not an arena where people can obtain help? If someone says that they think that the watchtower has more good in it than bad wouldent it be best to suggest to them that you think that may not be the case and that they should look further into the matter?
You all have been there done that but in my short time here dosent my suggestion seem to make sense?
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I have tried to be as reasonable as possible on this post. As soon as anyone expresses pro-WT opinions you start making acuations about them. Is that really necessary? I must be missing something here.
cant people try to be a little more objective regardless of what they already know?Just a suggestion.
I have already come to my own conclusions and I realize that in doing so when you make statements that reflect negatively on the organisation that these same statements sound very judgemental about the organisation and can cause you to loose credibility.
Just beaware that anyone researching the Organisation that is studying will expect this kind of attitude. Bearing this in mind remember why the book Crisis of Conscience is so suscessful at allowing to see both sides of the Organisation simply because of its tone.This statement may be a judgement in itself but here it is:
Don't be so judgemental because you were once one to be condeming the man on the other side of the fence. It so happened that you later found out that you were on the WRONG side all along.
I dont think that you can convince any person that the Organisation is false but that they have to convince themselves!I hope I listen to my own advice.
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The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.