MMN, those lines were precisely my reason to post the song here
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by dgp inthese songs of freedom?.
these songs of freedom?.
these songs of freedom?
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by doublelife ini'm on my second reading of steven hassan's combatting cult mind control.
i'm at the last par.
on page 44. it says:.
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Dear double, I think you simply felt reassurance. You believed you were telling them a truth that would give them everlasting life. Who wouldn't feel great?
I'm happy that you're reading that book. I have it, too. If you would agree to it, we can exchange private messages and opinions on it.
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The increasing number of the anointed. Comments, anyone?
by dgp ini'm very much enjoying "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses", by heather and gary botting.
now, this excerpt comes very much to the point of this thread, i believe:.
page 145: "still, in 1975 the society clearly feared a continuation of the upward trend in memorial partakers, and in an article entitled "annointing to a heavenly hope - how is it manifest?
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Thanks for your thoughts, everyone. Let's hope that someone who reads this post finds a reason to think on seeing the changes they have made to such an important element of their beliefs. I read somewhere that they can get away with this only because many people leave the religion and never ever find out about the "old light".
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Goodbye, Lois.....you were a good JW
by journey-on inthe woman was on her deathbed.
she was painfully aware that her days were coming to a close and she was feeling so many conflicting emotions that she found herself wishing it would just hurry up and be over with.
you see, she had been a jehovahs witness for her entire life.
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It makes me sad because it seems to be the way a witness I know will end her life. It's sad that she doesn't realize what she is up to...
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Who's the best JWN liar? I'll start -- "we shun you cuz we love you"
by Fatfreek ina wisconsin man won top prize in the "world's best liar" contest.. the burlington liars club gave its top award to 58-year-old public health inspector jerry legro of sun prairie.
his lie: ""i just realized how bad the economy really is.
i recently bought a new toaster oven and as a complimentary gift, i was given a bank.".
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"The organization's is God's mouthpiece on Earth"
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The increasing number of the anointed. Comments, anyone?
by dgp ini'm very much enjoying "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses", by heather and gary botting.
now, this excerpt comes very much to the point of this thread, i believe:.
page 145: "still, in 1975 the society clearly feared a continuation of the upward trend in memorial partakers, and in an article entitled "annointing to a heavenly hope - how is it manifest?
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I'm very much enjoying "The Orwellian World of Jehovah's Witnesses", by Heather and Gary Botting. Now, this excerpt comes very much to the point of this thread, I believe:
Page 145: "Still, in 1975 the society clearly feared a continuation of the upward trend in Memorial partakers, and in an article entitled "Annointing to a Heavenly Hope - How Is It Manifest?" (WT February 1975, 105-11) the Governing Body warned readers against mistakenly presuming a heavenly calling. The writers clearly blamed the increase on the ignorance of the membership as to the nature of the calling. 'What might cause some to assume mistakenly that they are of the anointed ones who should partake of the Memorial emblems? Lack of knowledge could be responsible for someone assuming wrongly that he or she was thus anointed. One may fail to realize that, as with other favors of God, receiving such anointing depends, not upon the one wishing nor upon he one running, but upon God'. The article warned against self-aggrandisement and pride. When blacks in Africa began to parñtake of the emblems in the 1970s the Governing Body attributed the influx of partakers in part at least to the tribal roots of 'unruly' ones who allegedly exhibited unbecoming fetishist behaviour after partaking of the 'blood of Christ. Others who made the mistake of partaking of the emblems had reportedly experienced 'spiritual enlightenment' through drug abuse or simple fantasizing. All of these partakers were duly reprimanded, and some were disfellowshipped".
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Redemption Song
by dgp inthese songs of freedom?.
these songs of freedom?.
these songs of freedom?
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number of anointed
by ssn587 indont know if i or anyone else has asked this before, but does anyone know how many annointed were supposedly at the last memorial, it seems to be the hidden #.
does that mean they are now the hidden society (said tongue in cheek).
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From Titus:
"Indeed, students in Gilead learn that the whole Bible (not only Paul's epistles, but they especially) is written exclusively for the "anointed ones". And the other ones are like "the little dogs which do eat of the crumbs falling from the table of their masters" (Matthew 15:27). Maybe some Gilead's graduates here will remember that..."
If anything ever made me dislike the WTBTS, this is it.
I'm not a witness (nor will I ever be like "a little dog eating crumbs"), but I know the difference between "anointed" and "partaker". Partaker is someone who believes he is an anointed. Or wants people to consider him as such. Anointed is someone who thinks he was anointed, because he thinks so.
I'm very much enjoying "The Orwellian World of Jehovah's Witnesses", by Heather and Gary Botting. Now, this excerpt comes very much to the point of this thread, I believe:
Page 145: "Still, in 1975 the society clearly feared a continuation of the upward trend in Memorial partakers, and in an article entitled "Annointing to a Heavenly Hope - How Is It Manifest?" (WT February 1975, 105-11) the Governing Body warned readers against mistakenly presuming a heavenly calling. The writers clearly blamed the increase on the ignorance of the membership as to the nature of the calling. 'What might cause some to assume mistakenly that they are of the anointed ones who should partake of the Memorial emblems? Lack of knowledge could be responsible for someone assuming wrongly that he or she was thus anointed. One may fail to realize that, as with other favors of God, receiving such anointing depends, not upon the one wishing nor upon he one running, but upon God'. The article warned against self-aggrandisement and pride. When blacks in Africa began to parñtake of the emblems in the 1970s the Governing Body attributed the influx of partakers in part at least to the tribal roots of 'unruly' ones who allegedly exhibited unbecoming fetishist behaviour after partaking of the 'blood of Christ. Others who made the mistake of partaking of the emblems had reportedly experienced 'spiritual enlightenment' through drug abuse or simple fantasizing. All of these partakers were duly reprimanded, and some were disfellowshipped".
I would love to hear the comments from the people who might have been there.
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"Encouragement" from my mother-in-law to my wife
by garyneal inmy wife did not attend the holiday celebrations with my daughter and i and instead chose to spend the time with her parents.
she told her mom how she saw nothing wrong with the holiday celebrations and my m-i-l told her that she was right in that the things people do this time of year are very beautiful indeed.
however, it is the reason why people do these things why we are not suppose to partake in them.
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Gary Neal, first of all, I wish you man a happy new year. Then, may I suggest ("in the nicest way possible") that you tell her she doesn't have to come to your celebration, but you will go with your daughter? That you can perhaps spend one Christmas and one New Year's even doing whatever the witnesses do on those days, but then you expect her to come to your family's the year after? It's called "compromising".
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Redemption Song
by dgp inthese songs of freedom?.
these songs of freedom?.
these songs of freedom?
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Just thought I would share this song with you guys. By good ol' Bob Marley:
Old pirates, yes, they rob I;
Sold I to the merchant ships,
Minutes after they took I
From the bottomless pit.
But my hand was made strong
By the hand of the Almighty.
We forward in this generation
Triumphantly.
Won't you help to sing
These songs of freedom?
'Cause all I ever have:
Redemption songs,
Redemption songs.
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our minds.
Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them can stop the time.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look? Ooh!
Some say it's just a part of it:
We've got to fulfill the Book.
Won't you help to sing
These songs of freedom?
'Cause all I ever have:
Redemption songs,
Redemption songs,
Redemption songs.
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our mind.
Wo! Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them-a can-a stop-a the time.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look?
Yes, some say it's just a part of it:
We've got to fulfill the book.
Won't you have to sing
These songs of freedom? -
'Cause all I ever had:
Redemption songs -
All I ever had:
Redemption songs:
These songs of freedom,
Songs of freedom.